Supra fuel pump

[jackaleks]

asked my local friendly Toyota dealer about a Supra pump and quoted part number 195130-1020 (as per here) but Toyota don't recognise that at all, they came back with this:
part number 23220P



does anyone know if this is the part?

[Aubec]

The first number you quote is Denso's part number, not Toyotas. From the diagram that looks right, assuming that IS a diagram for the Twin Turbo and not some other car.

Let us know what they charge you for it.

[jackaleks]

£165 + VAT at the dealer. there's a second hand one on eBay at the moment but i don't see the point in replacing a 15 year old Mazda one with a (probably) 15 year old Toyota one!

thanks for the replies, i think i'll just order one and see how it goes.

[Aubec]

You can buy a brand new pump on eBay from the states for much much less than that. Think I paid £105 including shipping a few months back.

[Aubec]

It WAS item 220361500327 on ebay that I bought - I cant access ebay from work so dont know if its still there or not.

[SmbFD3S]

Also depends whether you want a UK or Japspec one... The UK one's flow more paying £136 for mine

[Grizzly]

Am i missing some thing here? You are thinking of putting a £165 + vat Supra Pump on an FD? Why not fit an Good after market one that will flow more and be as good for less money?

http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forum...ad.php?t=48401

[ashc]

and watch out for ebay fakes, there were some crap walbros going around about a year ago anyway.

[SmbFD3S]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

Am i missing some thing here? You are thinking of putting a £165 + vat Supra Pump on an FD? Why not fit an Good after market one that will flow more and be as good for less money?

http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forum...ad.php?t=48401

I'm fitting a supra TT pump simply because it's a direct replacement for the original and requires no modification and will run as the original withouth worrying about keeping the fuel above a certain point or swirl pots. While the 044 maybe a better pump, the Supra pump will still support 450rwhp and i was under the impression the 044 was better as an inline pump and if you did want it intank then you'd have to mess about with it to get over the starvation as said in that thread....

[jackaleks]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

You are thinking of putting a £165 + vat Supra Pump on an FD?

Originally Posted by SmbFD3S

I'm fitting a supra TT pump simply because it's a direct replacement for the original and requires no modification

hit the nail on the head

i'll shop around for a price but the main reason is that it flows more than OE Mazda, replaces my crappy 15 year old one and requires no buggering about to fit.

[SmbFD3S]

Originally Posted by jackaleks

hit the nail on the head

i'll shop around for a price but the main reason is that it flows more than OE Mazda, replaces my crappy 15 year old one and requires no buggering about to fit.

I'll do some shopping around mate and see what the best price is i can get although i've already got a price of £136 for a UK spec one so would be good to know if you can get it any cheaper?? and likewise i'll let you know

[Grizzly]

450rwhp? that's allot on an FD you sure it's that big if its the same size as stock? don't forget that because it flows enough for 450 on a supra don't mean it will do the same on a FD, if its a direct replacement its going to be allot smaller then a 044 (btw the 1/4 of a tank thing is fixed by fitting the sock filter) and the funny thing is its harder to remove the stock Pump without damaging the sender etc than it is to cut the feed pipe down to fit the bigger pump (044 can be run intank).

When you say replace the 15 year old pump don't forget to replace the 15 year old wiring as that's the main cause of low voltage/Poor fuel supply.

Stock v's Bosch 044

[SmbFD3S]

From rx7store.com

"The stock fuel pump was designed to handle the fuel requirements at near stock levels. Once you've upgraded the car to a point where more fuel is required, you'll need to address this weak link in the system. We use a special, high flow fuel pump, made by OE manufacturer NipponDenso in Japan, which exactly replaces the stock fuel pump. This unit takes less than 30 minutes to install, doesn't make any more noise, is extremely reliable, requires no cutting, welding, new lines, or anything else. It's also the highest flowing unit we've tested that doesn't make the car run rich at idle, unlike other "bolt ins".
The pump has been tested to support 450 RWHP (at 36-40 PSI base pressure) and is a good upgrade for those with upgraded ECUs and/or those adding additional injectors. "

On the note about the wiring, yeah i will also be doing that and using this pic/guide from rx7club:-

[jackaleks]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

When you say replace the 15 year old pump don't forget to replace the 15 year old wiring as that's the main cause of low voltage/Poor fuel supply.

i was going to sort the pump and fuel filter so that when i (finally!) get hold of a Power FC there will be no possible issues when mapping. i'm not really going for huge huge power, just a quick reliable car.

good shout on the wiring, as my battery is in the boot now it'd probably make sense to re-do it.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by SmbFD3S

From rx7store.com

"The stock fuel pump was designed to handle the fuel requirements at near stock levels. Once you've upgraded the car to a point where more fuel is required, you'll need to address this weak link in the system. We use a special, high flow fuel pump, made by OE manufacturer NipponDenso in Japan, which exactly replaces the stock fuel pump. This unit takes less than 30 minutes to install, doesn't make any more noise, is extremely reliable, requires no cutting, welding, new lines, or anything else. It's also the highest flowing unit we've tested that doesn't make the car run rich at idle, unlike other "bolt ins".
The pump has been tested to support 450 RWHP (at 36-40 PSI base pressure) and is a good upgrade for those with upgraded ECUs and/or those adding additional injectors. "

On the note about the wiring, yeah i will also be doing that and using this pic/guide from rx7club:-

Funnily enough i know the Turbo2 that did that run.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...k-1_693497.htm
Stock internals brand new S5 motor
Supra TT pump
T04Z turbo with 1.15 AR
3.5 inch Exhaust
Aeromotive FPR
parallel AN fuel system W/ KG rails
850cc prim 1600cc sec
Greddy FMIC
Custom 4 inch cold air intake
Microtech LT10s
Coolingmist trunkmount kit
ECT ECT

"Thanks for the comments everyone! ill answer some questions now...first off yes the meth made a big difference, intake manifold felt like ice after a dyno pull..this motor is bone stock internals, no porting at all, i was running 93 pump gas and 50/50 meth water, and i think my injector duty was 40% at 15psi and 65% at 18psi...im not 100% sure though. i knew i had plenty of fuel so i wasn't to concerned with keeping track of the duty cycle. Here is one of the dyno sheets.. "


Not bad for a car with smaller ports then an FD.