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Organise South

4th February 2003, 05:11 PM

Hi first of all, im completely new on this site so i hope im welcome. For those who don't know me i organised an event in October called the Best of British Show which was a modified car show that took place at Brooklands airfield of which we filled up nice and easy.

Anyway back to my problem.

Im going to be buying an RX7 soon (G3) and i didn't realise there are loads of different types of the G3.
Can someone please kindly list each type and what it is and has, ie: turbo, standard bhp and generally what its like.

If someone could do that it would be very much appreciated.

Kind regards
Kevin

Glenn Butcher

4th February 2003, 10:24 PM

Hi Kevin!!

I'll try and help as best I can. I have a table here for the 1999 + model RX-7's:

<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="90%" border=1 align="center" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" bordercolor="#000000"><TR><TD> </TD><TD><P align=center><font color="#000000" size="2"><STRONG>Type RB Auto</STRONG></font></P></TD><TD><P align=center><font color="#000000" size="2"><STRONG>Type RB</STRONG></font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2"><STRONG>Type RB-S</STRONG></font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2"><STRONG>Type R</STRONG> </font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2"><STRONG>Type RS</STRONG> </font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2"><STRONG>Type RZ</STRONG></font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD> <P align=left><font color="#000000" size="2">Weight (kgs)</font></P></TD><TD> <P align=center><font color="#000000" size="2">1240</font></P></TD><TD> <P align=center><font color="#000000" size="2">1240</font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">1240</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">1260</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">1280</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">1270</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD> <P align=left><font color="#000000" size="2">Power (PS/rpm)</font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">255/6500</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">265/6500</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">265/6500</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">280/6500</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">280/6500</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">280/6500</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD> <P align=left><font color="#000000" size="2">Torque (Nm/rpm)</font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">294/5000</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">294/5000</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">294/5000</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">314/5000</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">314/5000</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">314/5000</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD> <P align=left><font color="#000000" size="2">Power-to-Weight ratio (kg/PS)</font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">4.86</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">4.68</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">4.68</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">4.50</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">4.57</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">4.54</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD> <P align=left><font color="#000000" size="2">Dampers</font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Standard</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Standard</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Standard</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Hard</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Hard</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Bilstein</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD> <P align=left><font color="#000000" size="2">Oil coolers</font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Single</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Single</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Single</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Twin</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Twin</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Twin</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD> <P align=left><font color="#000000" size="2">Rims/Tyres (Front)</font></P></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50R16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50R16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50ZR16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50ZR16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">17"x8"/235 45ZR17</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">17"x8"/235 45ZR17</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD><FONT color=#000000 size=2> <P align=left>Rims/Tyres (Rear)</P></FONT></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50R16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50R16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50ZR16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">16"x8"/225 50ZR16</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">17"x8.5"/255 40ZR17</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">17"x8.5"/255 40ZR17</font></div></TD></TR><TR> <TD><font color="#000000" size="2">Large rear spoiler with adj wicker</font></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">No</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">No</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Yes</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Yes</font></div></TD><TD> <div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Yes</font></div></TD><TD><div align="center"><font color="#000000" size="2">Yes</font></div></TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not 100% sure on the UK model's or some of the older Japanese models.

Generally speaking I believe the FD RX-7 sold here in the UK was a 255hp model.

Many of the Japanese imports pre 1999 were around the same power.

Hopefully someone else jumps in an helps me out here!

Kevint

5th February 2003, 02:04 PM

Hi Kevin,

The best information I have seen on the UK and Jap model variations is in Brian Long's book: RX-7 Mazda's Rotary Engine Sportscar. It covers all generations up to the 2000 Jap only 3rd gen. It is available from Amazon, £23.99 or the publisher www.veloce.co.uk £29.99.

The stock UK 3rd gen was 237bhp.

Kevin

bnaellis

5th February 2003, 03:35 PM

Hi Kevin,
Of course your welcome mate. urrgh where do I start.
Well I'll start from the beginning I guess. UK rx7's released 1992 were 237 bhp
approx 124 of them sold in uk front an rear strut brace 2 seater only with rear storage bins, sunroof, a/c, black leather seats. 5sp manual only, cruise control, pre cat on downpipe, main cat, hard suspension.

Japanese rx7 released 1991 255bhp the different models were/are type x, type s, touring x, touring s, type r1, type r2, type rz, type rs, type rb, type rb bashurst, typr rb bashurst x, type rsr, type r, rb-s, spirirt r-a, spirit r-b, spirit r-c.
I might of missed a couple don't think so though. Right differences
type x, type s, type r1, type rz were all realeased in late 91 between 91-93 these were the only rx-7 available in japan.
all were 255bhp type x was fully loaded model leather seats in black or red, climate control a/c, sunroof, front foglamps,2+2, soft suspension, cruise control, 5sp manual + 4sp automatic, rear strut brace not sure if they had front, main cat only, sunroof, red leather seat models came with full red interior. bose hifi as standard. 4.1 final drive ratio diff 3.9 on auto
the type s is the cheapest model rx7 similar to type x but non of the frills and extras.
Type rz has always been then top rx7 in Japan as well as the fastest. It has bbs 17 inch wheels as standard 4.3 stregthened limited slip diff. not much frills and extras as this was not meant for comfort but out and out sports. It had recaro seats as standard and if memory serves me right was only available in black on the early models. Front & rear strut brace All type rz hold there price extremely well in Japan. The rz had better brakes twin oil coolers and was reallly designed to be thrashed.
The type r is another of the early models, this was a I believe single oil cooler can't remember, front & rear strut brace, I think they had front fog lamps can't remember harder suspension than type x & type s models, a/c, no sunroof or cruise etc was a bit like the rz in that it was more a race model rather than tourer. This eventually was called the r1 as in late 93 onwards mazda released another type r with twin oil coolers and a few more bits and pieces slighty softer suspension etc and calle dit the r2 so thats how the r1 got it's name. In late 93 onward mazda released som other versions as well as updating/outdating some of the previous. they type x became the touring x the type s became the touring s. These were basically the same as the precious models but technical recall issue had been resolved, I can't remember what they all were but I remember pre late 93 had issues with the water pump or water pump seal, the pressure of the cooling system was lowered from about 1.3 bar to .9 I believe, the paint was also changed as earlier models suffered paint fade. so type r was now r2 type x & type s were now touring but the rz remained the same. I do not have documented evidence but I believe in 94 the rx was actually a 265 bhp car don't hold me to that though. Right the other new models that were added in late 93/94 were the type rs which was second to the rz only 17 inch wheels different from the other models better brakes the same diff with final drive as the rz but otherwise much the same the others ie a/c, 2 seater, strut brace fornt&rear etc. also released was the rb which was kind of a new base range along with touring s, They however made variations to this model i.e. type rb bashurst, and bashurst x, in remembrance to the fact the rx7 dominated the australian 12 race at a track or area can't remember called bathurst.The bathhurst x model had full red interior with leather seats, again though most of these models were otherwise much the same.
In 95 the r2 was replaced with the type r, in late 95/96 models mazda again made changes, the rear spoiler was changed, the ecu were now 16 bit instead of 8 bit, the rear light cluster was changed to round lights power was upped on nearly all models to 265 bhp except the touring x. By the way that reminds me the touring s was discontinued in 95 and when the type x transition into the touring x in late 93 they were only available in 4spd automatic, Also from late 95 onwards the touring x lost cruise control bose hifi and leather interior but the rest was the same. I also know on post 96 touring x models maybe on the others also cannot confirm at the mo that the chassis was strenghthed and road holding was greatly improved.
In 97/98 mazda did a ltd edition model called the rsr which was a fancier version of the type rs these were only available in yellow or black. These had the same wheels as they type rs but were sprayed black from manufacture. I can't remember if it was from late 95 or only from late 98/99 onwards the type rb had a auto model also as 255bhp but manual as 265 bhp.
In late 98/99 the models the turbo was upgraded so was the ecu boost was increased exhaust back pressure was reduced by 10%
the rear spoiler and frontend were changed bhp was increased on type r type rs type rz to 280 bhp the rb was still 265bhp the rb-s was the same but a little sportier, the rb 4spd auto was still 255. New colour was added mica blue and a creamy white for the rz model which came with red interior with red stitching white dials, all post 99 models had boost gauge which earlier models didn't, the very latest models that were made wer ethe spirit r models a being the top b next then c which was also available as an auto, a new colour was added also gunmetal grey. My hand are tired now I hope this gives you a better idea.

Regards

Brian 2 P

Kevint

5th February 2003, 04:18 PM

Nice one B2P, no need to buy that book now

Kevin also asked what is it like - do you mean to drive?

Quotes from Top Gear review January 1996:

"is great to drive, looks as sexy as a bag of sexy stuff, corners astonishingly well, has brakes that are absolutely bonkers and an engine that revs like there's no tomorrow"

"this car felt very, very quick indeed. Not 968 quick; oh no it's 911 quick"

"the RX-7 has prodigious grip, an exceptionally rigid chassis and stronger brakes than any car Top Gear has ever tested"

Kevin

bnaellis

5th February 2003, 04:54 PM

Oh Yeah,
I missed some of your questions Kevin. All rx7's have twin turbos.
As the Kevin T stated from the top gear review. It's very quick, I might be a bit biased but above 100mph it is exceptionally quick to the point I don't think between 100-160mph there is much that can beat it without including the 4litre + beast that cost 60k+ to buy. Some find the suspension a bit too hard, brakes are really good, but handling suffers considerably when tyres are low. Handling is good but I am still a little wary as it feels so light.
There's not the greatest amount of room in drivers seat, but it is one of the most rewarding cars you will ever drive. Fuel consumption is poor if especially if you have to drive in traffic a lot.
Other than that I am quite sure you will test drive and have a big grin for the rest of the day then the rest will be history as they say.

RGDS
Brian 2 p

Dom

5th February 2003, 11:00 PM

Stop it! You're making me want one even more and I've still gotta wait another 14 months :eek: :( :p

clive

5th February 2003, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by BNA_ELLIS
Hi Kevin,
Of course your welcome mate. urrgh where do I start.
Well I'll start from the beginning I guess. UK rx7's released 1992 were 237 bhp
approx 124 of them sold in uk front an rear strut brace 2 seater only with rear storage bins, sunroof, a/c, black leather seats. 5sp manual only, cruise control, pre cat on downpipe, main cat, hard suspension.

Japanese rx7 released 1991 255bhp the different models were/are type x, type s, touring x, touring s, type r1, type r2, type rz, type rs, type rb, type rb bashurst, typr rb bashurst x, type rsr, type r, rb-s, spirirt r-a, spirit r-b, spirit r-c.
I might of missed a couple don't think so though. Right differences
type x, type s, type r1, type rz were all realeased in late 91 between 91-93 these were the only rx-7 available in japan.
all were 255bhp type x was fully loaded model leather seats in black or red, climate control a/c, sunroof, front foglamps,2+2, soft suspension, cruise control, 5sp manual + 4sp automatic, rear strut brace not sure if they had front, main cat only, sunroof, red leather seat models came with full red interior. bose hifi as standard. 4.1 final drive ratio diff 3.9 on auto
the type s is the cheapest model rx7 similar to type x but non of the frills and extras.
Type rz has always been then top rx7 in Japan as well as the fastest. It has bbs 17 inch wheels as standard 4.3 stregthened limited slip diff. not much frills and extras as this was not meant for comfort but out and out sports. It had recaro seats as standard and if memory serves me right was only available in black on the early models. Front & rear strut brace All type rz hold there price extremely well in Japan. The rz had better brakes twin oil coolers and was reallly designed to be thrashed.
The type r is another of the early models, this was a I believe single oil cooler can't remember, front & rear strut brace, I think they had front fog lamps can't remember harder suspension than type x & type s models, a/c, no sunroof or cruise etc was a bit like the rz in that it was more a race model rather than tourer. This eventually was called the r1 as in late 93 onwards mazda released another type r with twin oil coolers and a few more bits and pieces slighty softer suspension etc and calle dit the r2 so thats how the r1 got it's name. In late 93 onward mazda released som other versions as well as updating/outdating some of the previous. they type x became the touring x the type s became the touring s. These were basically the same as the precious models but technical recall issue had been resolved, I can't remember what they all were but I remember pre late 93 had issues with the water pump or water pump seal, the pressure of the cooling system was lowered from about 1.3 bar to .9 I believe, the paint was also changed as earlier models suffered paint fade. so type r was now r2 type x & type s were now touring but the rz remained the same. I do not have documented evidence but I believe in 94 the rx was actually a 265 bhp car don't hold me to that though. Right the other new models that were added in late 93/94 were the type rs which was second to the rz only 17 inch wheels different from the other models better brakes the same diff with final drive as the rz but otherwise much the same the others ie a/c, 2 seater, strut brace fornt&rear etc. also released was the rb which was kind of a new base range along with touring s, They however made variations to this model i.e. type rb bashurst, and bashurst x, in remembrance to the fact the rx7 dominated the australian 12 race at a track or area can't remember called bathurst.The bathhurst x model had full red interior with leather seats, again though most of these models were otherwise much the same.
In 95 the r2 was replaced with the type r, in late 95/96 models mazda again made changes, the rear spoiler was changed, the ecu were now 16 bit instead of 8 bit, the rear light cluster was changed to round lights power was upped on nearly all models to 265 bhp except the touring x. By the way that reminds me the touring s was discontinued in 95 and when the type x transition into the touring x in late 93 they were only available in 4spd automatic, Also from late 95 onwards the touring x lost cruise control bose hifi and leather interior but the rest was the same. I also know on post 96 touring x models maybe on the others also cannot confirm at the mo that the chassis was strenghthed and road holding was greatly improved.
In 97/98 mazda did a ltd edition model called the rsr which was a fancier version of the type rs these were only available in yellow or black. These had the same wheels as they type rs but were sprayed black from manufacture. I can't remember if it was from late 95 or only from late 98/99 onwards the type rb had a auto model also as 255bhp but manual as 265 bhp.
In late 98/99 the models the turbo was upgraded so was the ecu boost was increased exhaust back pressure was reduced by 10%
the rear spoiler and frontend were changed bhp was increased on type r type rs type rz to 280 bhp the rb was still 265bhp the rb-s was the same but a little sportier, the rb 4spd auto was still 255. New colour was added mica blue and a creamy white for the rz model which came with red interior with red stitching white dials, all post 99 models had boost gauge which earlier models didn't, the very latest models that were made wer ethe spirit r models a being the top b next then c which was also available as an auto, a new colour was added also gunmetal grey. My hand are tired now I hope this gives you a better idea.

Regards

Brian 2 P
Hi Brian ,

From memory l added up 15 different models a wile ago !
Many thanks for taking the time to list that lot up,when Jap Performance did their write up a few months ago they asked for a full model list but we declined as it makes life real dificult for a prospective owner to choose the Gen 3 he wants as Kevin has just found.

All the Best Clive.

richrx

6th February 2003, 09:27 PM

BNA_ELLIS has the longest post record i think:D

clive

7th February 2003, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by richrx
BNA_ELLIS has the longest post record i think:D

Yep and didn't he do well , cheers Brian.

All the Best Clive :D

Organise South

10th February 2003, 03:49 PM

A big big thank you to everyone that replied to my post, this has helped me so much in deciding which G3 im going to go for now.

I'll be in touch when ive got my next questions, lol

All the best
Kevin

Oh and i Final Massive thanmk you to Brian for taking the time out to write all that message, it must have taken ages but believe me it really has helped me loads so again thank you.

Mulv

6th August 2003, 06:48 PM

a thank you from me too. I am also considering an RX7 and was about to post the same query.
Thanks guys.

graham

Tintin

14th October 2003, 06:58 PM

Well done Brian , that post was fantastic , how can any one man know so much about a car .

Well seen as you proved you know so much it has helped me decide where to go to get my rex

:D

Trappy

23rd October 2003, 04:03 PM

Sorry if this makes it anymore confusing but can you tell me which of the japan only models had 4 seats after '94? In your post Brian, you stated:
"Right the other new models that were added in late 93/94 were the type rs which was second to the rz, only 17 inch wheels different from the other models, better brakes, the same diff with final drive as the rz but otherwise much the same the others ie a/c, 2 seater, strut brace fornt&rear etc."
Are the "other" models all of the type R deriviants? Surely not all of the models in the line-up were 2 seater only at this year?I hope they weren't :(

Jamie

2nd January 2004, 08:56 PM

Just wanted to say a big thanks to Brian 4 typing all that info out.

I'm looking to threat myself to a RX-7 3rd gen in the next few months and you've answered most of my questions about the many different models. Now I can start phoning around trying to get some insurance quotes :(

Cheers

Jamie

GaryS

2nd January 2004, 11:48 PM

Trappy- the RZ was made till the end - it was a 2 seater but it was expensive (due to Japanese tax laws over 2 seaters) and as such rare. Most FD3s are 4 seater.

J4P RX

15th January 2004, 10:31 PM

I just wanted to put this link here.

http://www.rx7.net.nz/fd-jp-models.html

Cheers
Lee

mx3

4th February 2004, 12:33 AM

yeah I also wanted to say a big thanks>

My dad's gonna be buying an rx7 g3 real soon so we were gonna ask this question!

Can't wait till i'm 25 so I can get one!

FDDreamer

4th June 2004, 02:01 PM

Just stumbled across this link...can't believe I didn't find it sooner! So more thanks from this quarter...good job, your time is greatly appreciated Mr 2 Pedals! ;)

Quick question though...did any of the changes (for example the ECU going from 8 bit to 16 bit) make a significant difference? Also, when it says 'all interior parts costs reduced' does that mean for new buyers their option packs were cheaper, or does it mean the interiors weren't of quite as high a standard?

Thanks! :)

bnaellis

7th June 2004, 06:29 PM

lol I forgot about that old nick name. I got 3 pedals now :D
ecu change made some difference nothing we would notice though. To notice 10 bhp you need to be one very sensitive driver. Interior option was only on certain models and the inetrior on later model cars was better quality than the older models definitely.

rgds

GR_Wootty

9th September 2004, 03:41 PM

Blimey !:eek:

after posting a real newbie post in the wrong section i had another look and found the right sectionand this response - man you guys have ansewred everything i was after - well almost...

What the average running costs say for doing 800-1000miles per month?

Thats the only thing putting me off at the moment - and finding the right one, oh and trading the FTO oh and the twin vs single turbo question.

thanks

oilman

16th December 2004, 01:31 PM

I own an RX8 but am considering a mid 90's RX7 for the garage which I will probably run for around 1000 miles per annum (for fun really) and keep garaged.

I am confused by the different models and prices and would like some opinions on which model would be best. 2 or 4 seats.

I'm not into heavily modded or heavily "dressed up" cars and would prefer a stock car if this is possible.

I am also interested to know where I can find a reliable and trustworthy importer that will deal with everything for me so that I can just drive it away!

I'm expecting to pay up to £12000 is this right?

Thanks in advance
Simon

Eddie

16th December 2004, 02:59 PM

Hi

800 to 1000 a month, I used mine as a daily drive from Oldham to warrington 5 times a week, roughly about 60 miles round trip a day, I was putting 60-70 quid in a week and I drove it like a saint most of the time, keeping it out of turbo territory when ever possible at about 56mph on the motorway (well most of the time,) gave it a red line every day to to keep carbon build up down.
O and always found a Porche boxter wanting to try his luck at least twice a week.

Not the cheapest of cars if you are doing that sort of mileage, but a lot of fun.

Better start buying shares in shell:)

Lee E

oilman

16th December 2004, 03:26 PM

Lee,

Thanks. I meant 1000 per year. The RX8 is my daily driver at around 18-22 mpg.

The 7 is purely for fun at weekends!

Cheers
Simon

Big Stu

16th December 2004, 03:57 PM

Simon,

a 12 grand budget will buy you a really nice FD3S. The type RZ is the top spec car, but they are all pretty good really.

Just make sure you get something with a rebuilt engine. If you want pretty standard looking with a fair bit of power i think Brian Ellis has a Single turbo for a very good price.

Cheers

Stu

sadgoth

16th December 2004, 04:17 PM

for £12k you should get an absolute gem, especially if you are after a stock car. I'd be looking at late '90s cars with low mileage or mid 90's (post '96 rear light upgrade) with a new rebuilt engine for that money. RZ as Stu says were reckoned to be one of the best models before the Spirit R. You could try and track down an RSR which was created to commerate 40yrs of rotary engines for mazda (pretty sure it was the 40yr anniversary) in 1998 (John Yorke has one in Yellow). As for importers try Brian at www.RotaryImports.com or Miguel @ www.Neweraimports.com for starters.

gadj

17th January 2005, 07:57 AM

And there is a stunning example for sale here for less than 10k:

Black FD (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12025)

that someone is selling :) :) :)

Alc

23rd June 2005, 08:05 AM

whilst car hunting at the jap auction near us we have noticed all 3 rx7's have 2 samll seats in the back one of them a 94 and the other a 91 so whats this about 2 seaters.
yes we are pig ignorant and mid life crisis buyers but I have loved rotaries from whem my mother bought on in 1970. and yearned on ever since this is our first real opportunity to get on and find it more confusing than ever.
We are not intending to go to track days or boost performance just have a car we like to look of, me drive comfortably at reasonable speed and actually finally after all these years have the nostalgic noise of the rotary in my ears as it gets quieter the faster you go has all this been lost since the Ro80 every on seems to want to put wings on their rx7's and fly to the moon with this addition and that addition to the tune of I can't get a realistic outlokk of just normal driving the car, getting normal mpg and how reliable it is in those terms.
Sorry to sound like a stick in the mud but we are not called rockerfella and are now getting scared of buying one for the sheer joy of having a nice car.
We went to one website which has a bucket of problems on it and must admit it has discouraged us if anyone can give us a balanced view it would be gratefully recieved only my stubborness keeps me looking alan.cameron67@ntlworld.com
And can anyone please tell me how i can join the club when i can't print form from website
hopefull of confidence building replies or to be detered properly as we have the worst luck when buying motors other than at auction
alan cameron

sadgoth

23rd June 2005, 09:44 AM

Most of the horror stories you hear about the RX7 are due to people buying high milers, cars which haven't been looked after or not looking after them themselves.

If you do the right research, buy a car with either low mileage or a rebuilt engine (BY A REPUTABLE BUILDER) and look after the car well, running costs won't be any more than another high performance vehicle. Fuel consumption is always going to be on the high side, the rotary engine has always been thirsty and strap two turbos onto it and fuel economy will suffer even more. Insurance is not as bad as one might think if you go to an RX friendly insurer (check out the 'Insuring Your Rotary' section).

As far as the modified cars thing goes, yes there are quite a few cars out there which have been modded to some extent or other, and again if it is done properly and not too extreme this shouldn't have much effect on the reliability of the car. Things to watch for though, most mods will improve airflow, but without increases in fueling this can have a detrimental effect on the longevity of the engine. For a reliable, fun, allround driver the best bet would be a low mileage, standard car sourced from one of the reputable sites (Rotary Imports, Newera, Jimmy's, etc also RX Motors have a few for good prices)

Hope that helps :wiggle

the lemster

27th June 2005, 02:06 PM

one thing to look for is the dealers ticket/stamp/sticker in the drivers door sill...

most of it is in japanese but the model and type is in english...
mine says FD3S -TYPE-R special edition.... what the special edition means I dont know but its a 93 with no mods and drives lovley.. it has full leather interior including leather header and back seats it has the coin tray and ashtray in the centre console ABS but not cruise control so is it a type R11 or a late august type-R....

and whats 'special' about it

CEB

22nd July 2005, 08:21 PM

HI all
this is my first post here
My rex is a 1992 and has 2 oil coolers does this make it a type rz?

20B_boy

22nd July 2005, 10:30 PM

No, afraid not :)

Zak

7th September 2005, 09:50 PM

Hi All

Am new to the forum and am currently looking to buy an imported RS-R. I believe thay came in Yellow and since I am about to go through a mid life crisis, I want a second car and its gonna be a yellow one !

I am thinking of going through an import company called Bonsai cars as they seem to be the UK affiliate of USS Car auctions in Japan.

They also seem to think a budget of £7K will get me a 95/96 Grade 4 or if I;m lucky a 4.5 auction model ?

Anyone had any experiences with Bonsai good or bad and does £7K sound reasonable for an RX7 of that year and spec ?

Anyone on here imported a car by themselves ? Is it worth the hassle ?

Freddy

7th September 2005, 10:22 PM

Hi,

Welcome to the forum!

I dont know what kind of service people have recieved from Bonsai cars. However, Bonsai cars are not affiliate of Used System Solution (USS) auctions Japan.

Also, if somone is telling you they can get you an RS-R in yellow in a 1995, 1996 then they are wrong. As these did not exist till later. Lastly, if you do get one in 1996 then the over stringent SVA tests will make it almost impossible for you to register the car. :(

We also provide the auction service in Japan, giving you direct access to the auctions. A budget of 7k (on the road UK?) can get you a nice stage 1-2 modified RX-7 in a 1995 model.

Importing the car is not a problem, real time tracking is available and the car is delivered as on the road, inclusive of MOT and Tax.

You can e mail me on the below address if you require further info.

Info@trans-cars.co.uk

Freddy__k@hotmail.com

Hope this helps. :)

John Yorke

8th September 2005, 06:17 AM

The RSR were only made 97-98 and were a limited run of 500 similar to the RZ but with rear seats instead of bins, if you are lucky enough to find a genuine one you will find it almost impossible to get it through the new SVA regs. Nowt wrong with Yellow though :cool

Zak

8th September 2005, 06:36 PM

Hi

Thanks for the quick responses all.

Apologies I thought Bonsai were affiliated to USS since they were listed on their website which I think is

http://www.auto.co.jp/company/partners.html

What year are the RS-R's ? Are they 97's ?

When you say "genuine one" are there "normal" RX7's made to look like an RS-R ?

Also excuse my ignorance but could someone tell me why the RS-R wouldn't get through the new SVA ? Wouldn't obviously want to get one of them if they could not be registered !

Cheers Zak

John Yorke

8th September 2005, 10:25 PM

You dont need SVA for cars prior to 95 after that they come under stricter SVA rules [immitions] which the RX7 will not pass the time to have purchased a later than 95 has passed :xconfused

Lots of RX7 sold are claiming to be R1, RZ, RS, RSR but mostly they turn out to be standard, advertisers [not all of them] tend to put these prefixes on the cars they sell to encourage buyers the same with wild BHP figures :rolleyes:

Martiny

9th September 2005, 07:51 AM

HI all
this is my first post here
My rex is a 1992 and has 2 oil coolers does this make it a type rz?

If your car has the strut bar across the top of the engine, its probably a Type "R". A lot ot people call this and R1, because they made an R2 later, but MAzda never called it R1, its a type R.

I think you and I have exactly the same car. My only wish is that it had the sunroof :-(

Zak

12th September 2005, 09:25 PM

Hi All

I'm thinking of taking the plunge of importing a 1995 RX7 through Newera.

He seems to be about 3k more expensive than everyone else out there.
OTR cost of about £ 10-11k

Do you guys think its worth the extra 3k to go with him since he has a good reputation ?

Anyone had any experiences with any other importers that they recommend who really know their stuff as far as RX7's go. I don't want to buy a lemon from an importer who doesn't know their beans. So do I have to pay 3k to do that ?

Any help appreciated ?

Thanks

John Yorke

13th September 2005, 07:27 AM

Miguel has a rep second to none ;) You could also try Ben Linney [sp] he has supplied some nice cars over the years, as to the others cant say good or bad.

Mind there are plenty over here already most of them advertised on MRC are known cars, advantage to this is you should get a proven, sorted car.
HTH

20B_boy

13th September 2005, 08:55 AM

Just to give you another view :D

I have bought a total of 6 FDs over the years;

#1) red 94;non-specialist dealer in UK - very good tight car, no complaints

#2) silver 96; RX7 specialist - good car but had some nice damage underneath that I wasnt made a where of :(

#3) black 92; direct from auctions via autosquare - paid good money for a high grade car - turned out to be the best 92 I've EVER seen or driven, fullstop!

#4) black 92; from a cowboy in the UK who shall remain nameless :) Had been very evidently crashed, 'box was tossed - total dog bought unseen

#5) silver 94; RX7 specialist - good car generally but had a lot of things wrong with it that all cost plenty to fix

#6) red 92; RX7 specialist importer - basically described as a good value 'project car' - needing some tidying, having may be a b/port, fittted with a T04R, blah blah. Engine wasnt B/P, it was tossed. T04R wasnt a T04R. Gearbox suspect, front of car brutalised to fit sleek lights. Worn interior, suspension all completely knackered.

Makes your choice, takes your chances! Seems to be some inconsistency in auction grading from what I've seen. Silver car was good grade but needed lots of little things fixing. At least if you buy a car from the UK you can have a good look over it or get an RX7 person to check it out for you.

DarranJones

13th September 2005, 10:48 AM

Hi Zak,

Try Freddy at Transcars. I just bought a 95 (N) Bathurst model with 80000km (about 49000 miles) on the clock for a very reasonable price (My first rex...w00t!). I'm sure he'd be able to import whatever spec/model you desired and he's pretty damn helpful aswell.

Good luck,

Darran.

Tintin

14th September 2005, 05:05 PM

Hi Zak ,

I got mine from Brian Ellis at Rotary Imports , no complaints top bloke will source whatever you want

sam

21st June 2006, 09:35 PM

Hi folks,

Another newbie to this site!

A bit of background:

I first purchased an RX7 in 2003, a Series 2 Turbo II. After admiring them from afar for may years finally decided to get one. Unfortunately got a bad example and got a very quick steep learning curve. My own fault but hey, you gotta learn somehow! Anyway despite all my woes it was the best car I'd had in terms of driving pleasure but really put it down to being a second car. So after that got myself a Celica GT4, and yeah it's OK had fun in it but badly underpowered in my book.

So I get a new job last November with a travelling distance of 88 miles per day, which gives me a fuel bill of £90-100 a week even behaving myself in the GT4. Put up with that for a few months but can't justify spending that amount a week on fuel so gave in and got a diesel for commuting.
Aha, now I can have a proper second car, so Mazda RX7 is back on the menu :yes
I was toying around with a Nissan Skyline, but an experience just a couple of months ago made my mind up when a Black gen 3 passed us getting onto the m'way. Surface to air...whoa, I gotta get me one of them!!
The more you read, the more you want one especially after my expereince with the series 2, despite the problems!

So the reason for my post, as well as introducing myself is that I've got my eye on an import, which describes itself as an effini model. I've seen these aplenty but when ringing for insurance quotes, ain't nobody heard of the effini! Excuse my ignorance, but is this just like GLX or something similar or is it the actual model?
I wanna get the insurance right as I know any little error can void your policy. I've seen Brians post at the start of this thread, your knowledge is awesome, but no effini is listed in all those different model types.

Help folks!

Thanks in anticipation

Sam

DarranJones

21st June 2006, 10:27 PM

Efini is the make of the car not the model, it's a jap thing, same as eunos is for the mx-5. It's kinda like Lexus being the prestige brand of Toyota. Efini was the sports brand for Mazda.

At the end of the day if you tell your insurance it's a Mazda RX-7 twin turbo (2600cc) then they should be able to work it out from that.

Hope this helps,

Darran.

sam

21st June 2006, 11:00 PM

Fantastic! Nice one Darran...

DarranJones

21st June 2006, 11:06 PM

No problem ;)

Btw, you live in Heysham? Is that Heysham in Lancashire?

Just curious because I come from Barrow-in-Furness just across Morecambe Bay. :wave

Wonder if it was me you saw in the black 3rd gen. Hope it wasn't going too fast. :eek

sam

21st June 2006, 11:20 PM

Yep Darran, that's Heysham in Lancashire, just across the Bay :wave

Well if you're a soulie and went to Lowton on Easter Thursday, your da man!

macca

26th June 2006, 02:01 PM

Quick Hello from a soon to be owner.
I have read and re read this thread and I am a little puzzled, I am in the middle of buying my first 7 a (1995)but the "Type" does not appear to be listed anywhere in this thread.
If I have read the information correct from sticker in the car, it says
Type-RM

I can't find an RM mentioned anywhere above, but I'm not ruling out the fact the my headmaster was correct and it has made me blind!!!!
Thanks
Col

DC-TYPER

26th June 2006, 02:12 PM

THIS WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY OF EACH COLOUR AND MODEL WERE MADE http://www.turborx7.com/rx7prodinfo.htm NO RM THOUGH!

m@d

27th June 2006, 12:56 PM

Forgive me if this has been listed somewhere, but there seems to be some conflicting specs regarding the type x.

What is the type X? Does it only have 1 oil cooler? if so does this lower performance or is in any other way hindering the cars ability?

How soft is the suspension comparatively with other models. does this drastically effect the handling of the car?

I only ask, as there seems to be a nice clean type X on New era’s stock page at the mo. Not sure if the model type should be avoided or not?

macca

30th June 2006, 10:20 PM

I have rechecked the label in the door jam and it states
Type-RM

Has anybody else got the same code?

Thanks
Col

andysmee

24th August 2006, 12:02 PM

Thanks to Brian [2 P] for his original post on the types of RX-7, it made my job of choosing a model much easier...forgive me though if I post this edited version which may be slightly easier to follow for newbies, especially when combined with this other info http://www.rx7.net.nz/fd-jp-models.html :o (if you google further afield you will find some conflicting model lettering and years of make so it seems that the RX-7 family tree is quite flexible!)

Can anyone tell me about the interior specs wrt upholstery and comfort?

Thanks again for writing all this stuff up, it makes it easier to join the club! :cheers

RX-7 3rd Generation Models from 1991

the different models were/are type x, type s, touring x, touring s, type r1, type r2, type R Bathurst (1995), type R Bathurst X, type rz, type rs, type rb, type rb bashurst (1997), typr rb bashurst x, type rsr, type r, rb-s, spirit r-a, spirit r-b, spirit r-c, type RB Bathurst R (2001)

December 1991 - August 1993

type x, type s, type r1, type rz were all released in late 91 between 91-93 these were the only rx-7 available in Japan. all were 255bhp

type x was fully loaded model leather seats in black or red, climate control a/c, sunroof, front foglamps,2+2, soft suspension, cruise control, 5sp manual + 4sp automatic, rear strut brace not sure if they had front, main cat only, sunroof, red leather seat models came with full red interior. bose hifi as standard. 4.1 final drive ratio diff 3.9 on auto

the type s is the cheapest model rx7 similar to type x but non of the frills and extras.

Type rz has always been then top rx7 in Japan as well as the fastest. It has bbs 17 inch wheels as standard 4.3 strengthened limited slip diff. not much frills and extras as this was not meant for comfort but out and out sports. It had recaro seats as standard and if memory serves me right was only available in black on the early models. Front & rear strut brace All type rz hold there price extremely well in Japan. The rz had better brakes twin oil coolers and was really designed to be thrashed.

The type r is another of the early models, this was a I believe single oil cooler can't remember, front & rear strut brace, I think they had front fog lamps can't remember harder suspension than type x & type s models, a/c, no sunroof or cruise etc was a bit like the rz in that it was more a race model rather than tourer. This eventually was called the r1

August 1993 – March 1995

mazda released another type r with twin oil coolers and a few more bits and pieces slightly softer suspension etc and called it the r2 so that’s how the r1 got it's name. In late 93 onward mazda released some other versions as well as updating/outdating some of the previous.

type x became the touring x the and when the type x transition into the touring x in late 93 they were only available in 4spd automatic

type s became the touring s.

These were basically the same as the precious models but technical recall issue had been resolved, I can't remember what they all were but I remember pre late 93 had issues with the water pump or water pump seal, the pressure of the cooling system was lowered from about 1.3 bar to .9 I believe, the paint was also changed as earlier models suffered paint fade.

type r was now r2. type x & type s were now touring but the rz remained the same. I do not have documented evidence but I believe in 94 the rx-7 was actually a 265 bhp car don't hold me to that though.

type rs which was second to the rz only 17 inch wheels different from the other models better brakes the same diff with final drive as the rz but otherwise much the same the others ie a/c, 2 seater, strut brace front & rear etc.

rb which was kind of a new base range along with touring s, They however made variations to this model i.e.

type rb Bathurst, and Bathurst x, in remembrance to the fact the rx7 dominated the Australian 12 race at a track or area can't remember called Bathurst. The Bathurst x model had full red interior with leather seats, again though most of these models were otherwise much the same.

March 1995 – January 1996

the r2 was replaced with the type r-s [or just type r]

touring s was discontinued in 95,
from late 95 onwards the touring x lost cruise control bose hifi and leather interior but the rest was the same.

January 1996 – October 1997

mazda again made changes, the rear spoiler was changed, the ecu were now 16 bit instead of 8 bit, the rear light cluster was changed to round lights power was upped on nearly all models to 265 bhp except the touring x.

post 96 touring x models maybe on the others also cannot confirm at the mo that the chassis was strengthened and road holding was greatly improved.

October 1997 – January 1999

mazda did a ltd edition model called the rs-r which was a fancier version of the type r-s these were only available in yellow or black. These had the same wheels as they type r-s but were sprayed black from manufacture. I can't remember if it was from late 95 or only from late 98/99 onwards the type rb had a auto model also as 255bhp but manual as 265 bhp.

January 1999 – March 2002

the models the turbo was upgraded so was the ecu boost was increased exhaust back pressure was reduced by 10%
the rear spoiler and front end were changed bhp was increased on type r type rs type rz to 280 bhp the rb was still 265bhp the rb-s was the same but a little sportier, the rb 4spd auto was still 255. New colour was added mica blue and a creamy white for the rz model which came with red interior with red stitching white dials, all post 99 models had boost gauge which earlier models didn't, the very latest models that were made were the

spirit r models a being the top b next then c which was also available as an auto, a new colour was added also gunmetal grey.

dobo

8th October 2007, 02:15 PM

I am a newbie so please be kind, i have spent the last 2 weeks searching for infomation about Rx-7's found this website, others on google and infomation on wickipeida. A friend of mine had one and i loved it but i was only 18 at the time now 20 nearly 21 i have found i can insure a UK spec turbo 3rd gen for not much more than my current car.
so my question is does any one have more infomation about the UK cars(what are the differances in engine/general car spec) as there is little i can find anywhere and i dont know which infomation follows through the whole range and which is specific to each. also if anyone knows of any UK ones for sale please can then let me know dobo1987@hotmail.com
thanks

Alex T

8th October 2007, 02:25 PM

they are harder find, and for ones that are in good condition, also fetch far better money than imports.
Watch out for rust, as they have been in this country the whole of their lives!

dobo

8th October 2007, 02:28 PM

there is this one on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130161186986&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:UK:11
which has recently had engine rebuild but i dont know if the 500 mile round trip is worth it as it doesnt sound in to good a condition
thanks Alex for the quick response

Alex T

8th October 2007, 02:48 PM

yes, the red dont really like the sun if not well kept ether, as can be seen with that one really. Alot of reds are perfect though, dont get me wrong..
Mines red, and its mint. Re-done (in Kandy) nearly 2yrs ago, but I polish it and keep it in a garage at all times.

You want to ask him who/what company did the rebuild too.

peterwolds

8th October 2007, 03:11 PM

Just looked on fleabay - seller added today wont start may just be flooded be careful,as above find who did rebuild

dobo

9th October 2007, 02:23 PM

emailed him and this was his reasponse.
"rebuild was done at chip tuing scotland in lanark 60k rebuild, street ported valves, rebuild crank shaft, crack and pressure tested. dont know much more about the car only had it since sat and cant get insurance so selling it on "
i think ill leave this one its bit far for me to travel for one that doesnt sound to good.

rico2k_uk

9th October 2007, 04:17 PM

i got a uk spec going for sale.. :D

nick english

9th October 2007, 04:18 PM

nick english

9th October 2007, 04:18 PM

u beat me to it lol

rico2k_uk

9th October 2007, 04:21 PM

hehe! well you did point htis out ;)

have to admit, uk spec is great for insurance! £320! i laughed when i gave my switch card no to the manny on the phone... ahh.. gone are the days of paying cheap insuance of £1300 for the skyline... hehe! well , until this car sells :(

nick english

9th October 2007, 04:28 PM

dobo

10th October 2007, 11:39 AM

i got a uk spec going for sale.. :D

can you send me pics and details please?
dobo1987@hotmail.com
would of prefered a standard car but dont think im going to be able to be to picky due to wanting a uk one
thanks

Lelle

1st June 2009, 10:32 PM

what is it exactly that makes the RB have less power and tq than the R-RS?

Less boost or something?

Does that 2nd oil cooler make a big diff?

clive

2nd June 2009, 07:46 AM

what is it exactly that makes the RB have less power and tq than the R-RS?

Less boost or something?

Does that 2nd oil cooler make a big diff?

Hi and welcome to Mazdarotaryclub

This is an excellent thread that you have reopened that started in feb 2003 for your first post.

Whilst from 1996 on, physical changes were made to the Turbo and ECU systems which meant that some models produce more power than others with out boost increases, the most impotant thing is that all normal production FD models share the same engine and transmission assembly's and that the diffs only differences are ratios.

Hope this helps

Charl'

16th July 2009, 10:12 AM

A lot of useful information for first time buyers, helped me out a lot.

Cheers!