Worlds Quickest Rotaries

[Norton]

Worlds Quickest Rotaries.

Well, if you guys in America aren’t going to blow your own trumpet on here, I’ll do it because I think that what you’ve achieved is amazing…

Congratulations to Abel Ibarra and Flaco Racing for the worlds quickest standing start ¼ mile to date with a Mazda 20B triple rotor 1962cc engine.
6.79 Seconds at 204 mph !!!

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2004/images/cars/Abel_Ibarra.jpg

[Norton]

And congratulations to Eddie Colon from Puerto Rico for the worlds quickest standing start ¼ mile to date with a Mazda 13B twin rotor 1308cc engine.
7.44 Seconds at 178 mph !!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/fbdrifterrx7/0064.jpg

[scooby_si]

quality :god
Si

[Carl]

Something tells me that you now believe me norton??!!LOL!
:rollin
Regards
Carl

[MikeLMR]

how about this then ... all these cars are running quicker than the current UK rotary record holder .... without forced induction !

1 Lo Jack Dra 13B N 8.42 160
2 Confinado Pro 13B N 8.48 157
3 El Confundido Pro 13B N 8.54 154
4 Bam Bam IV Pro 13B N 8.55 153
5 Little Lucky Pro 13B N 8.56 157
6 El Intocable Pro 13B N 8.56 153
7 Cristian Mod 13B N 8.71 153
8 Chimikuí Pro 13B N 8.76 152
9 Kamikazi (Miata) Pro 13B N 8.83 148
10 El Tio Mod 13B N 8.84 148
11 Crazy Killer Pro 13B N 8.85 146 Ate
12 Andrea Performance Pro 13B N 8.89 147
14 La Sarita Mod 13B N 8.93 146
15 La Bandolera Mod 13B N 8.94 147
16 La Malvadita Mod 13B N 8.96 145
17 Angelito Racing Mod 13B N 8.98 146
18 Baby Masi Mod 13B N 8.98 144
19 Bam Bam (Datsun) Stock 13B N 9.00 146
20 Kelvin Racing Mod 13B N 9.01 143
21 Wankel Mod 13B N 9.03 142 C/C
22 El Bimbo Pro 13B N 9.04 139 No
23 Bryan Racing Mod 13B N 9.08 145 No
24 Croberto Mod 13B N 9.08 143
25 Loquito Jr. Pro 13B N 9.09 144 No
26 Albert (Junito) Mod 13B N 9.10 144
27 Oly Machine Shop Mod 13B N 9.12 143 No
28 Undertaker Mod 13B N 9.13 143 No
29 Robert Electric Pro 13B N 9.13 140
30 Rotary Speed Shop Mod 13B N 9.14 142
31 La Indomable Mod 13B N 9.15 146
32 Watapo Pro 13B N 9.15 141
33 Erica Racing Mod 13B N 9.18 139
34 Old Navy Stock 13B N 9.19 142
35 Medero Performance Mod 13B N 9.22 139
37 El Matador Stock 13B N 9.27 141
38 The Rookie Mod 13B N 9.28 140
39 Diony Time Mod 13B N 9.29 142
40 Bra Bra Racing Mod 13B N 9.29 142
41 New Letty Mod 13B N 9.29 141
43 Cuajo Racing Stock 13B N 9.29 138
44 Twister (Starlet) Mod 13B N 9.29 138
45 Antrax Stock 13B N 9.30 142
46 El Pá Mod 13B N 9.30 142
47 Don Carmelo Stock 13B N 9.35 138
48 Jenny Racing Mod 13B N 9.35 135
49 La Pipiola Stock 13B N 9.36 142
50 Cirujano II Pro 13B N 9.36 140
51 Little Giant Mod 13B N 9.37 138
52 Nachi Racing Stock 13B N 9.39 137
53 La Otra Mod 13B N 9.43 137
54 Chim Bum Bam Mod 13B N 9.44 138
55 Wilfred Racing Stock 13B N 9.44 135
56 Steel Racing Stock 13B N 9.45 139
57 La Mode Mod 13B N 9.45 136
58 Rico Suave Mod 13B N 9.45 135 No
59 Choquito Racing Stock 13B N 9.46 136
60 La Oculta Stock 13B N 9.47 132
61 Pedrito Jr. Mod 13B N 9.51 141 No
62 La Bimba Mod 13B N 9.52 139
63 Vaporulo Mod 13B N 9.52 124
64 Negro Racing Mod 13B N 9.53 139
65 Jowiljerry Mod 13B N 9.53 135
66 La Maldita Stock 13B N 9.55 141
67 Jerrito Mod 13B N 9.58 135 No
68 Traviesa Killer Mod 13B N 9.61 135
70 Naosky Mod 13B N 9.64 138
71 Ricardito Stock 13B N 9.65 133
72 Sandoval Racing Mod 13B N 9.66 133
73 Xavier Mod 13B N 9.68 140
76 Freddy Guason Mod 13B N 9.70 133 No
77 Yuco Mod 13B N 9.70 132 No
78 Estudiante Stock 13B N 9.71 136 No
79 La Mistica Stock 13B N 9.73 134 Ate
80 Race Connection Stock 13B N 9.73 132 No
81 Juliana Stock 13B N 9.74 135
82 Gilbert Stock 13B N 9.75 135
83 El Gato Mod 13B N 9.76 136
86 Edward Racing Mod 13B N 9.79 135
87 La Violenta Stock 12A N 9.79 130
88 New Jahir Mod 13B N 9.80 127
89 La Tímida Stock 13B N 9.81 132 No
90 Stripper Stock 13B N 9.83 135
91 El Wao Mod 13B G 9.90 133
92 Perielys Stock 13B N 9.90 132 No
93 Kariana Stock 13B N 9.90 132
94 La Sicaria Stock 13B N 9.90 131
95 Keven Lee Pro 13B N 9.92 131 No
96 Renesis Mod 13B N 9.92 130 No
97 Panchito Mod 13B N 9.94 132
98 El Bambino Mod 13B N 9.95 136 Ate
99 Yarierick Mod 13B N 9.95 134
100 Peterete Mod 13B N 9.96 135
101 Edmai Racing Mod 13B N 9.96 130
102 Jenny Bros. Mod 13B N 9.98 133
103 W Racing Mod 13B N 9.98 131
104 La Condená Mod 12A N 9.99 125

N = Nos
Dra = Dragster
Pro = Full Chassis
Mod = 3/4 or 1/2 Chassis
Stock = Stock Chassis

puts it into perspective :)

[MikeLMR]

oh and if you think using N2o is cheating ... heres one thats 'all motor' .... 9.20 @ 138 mph

We need one of these in UK !

[Norton]

Originally posted by Carl
Something tells me that you now believe me norton??!!LOL!
:rollin Regards Carl
Only Just!! still struggling to comprehend it. As i said, i remember when i were a lad going to Santa Pod to watch Don Garlits, the grand master of drag racing from the USA doing mid to high six second passes in his 8 litre V8 supercharged nitro methane fuelled 'top fuel dragster'.
I see from reading an interview with Abel Ibarra that he is aiming for 6.2 seconds using the 2 litre engine and will then consider building a 2.6 litre to get into the 5 second bracket!!! :eek:

[Norton]

Ive just noticed today that the time claimed for abels 13B rx7 bodied car is now 7.12 sec at 178 mph !!
Anyone know if this is for real? Have they just set a new record?
http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2003/drivers/A_Ibarra.html

[antnicuk]

HOW DO THEY DO THAT WITHOUT A TURBO................... OR EVEN WITH A TURBO?????????

There is only so big you make these ports!!! we are so far behind!!!

[Norton]

It is turbo' d
13B REW 1.3-liter turbocharged on methanol

[antnicuk]

not the fastest one, the list of sec N/A cars below them

[MikeLMR]

I'd guess it involves

Huge ports
cars lighter than fag packets
huge sticky tyres
proper auto boxes
and lots and lots of revs

[John Yorke]

Originally posted by MikeLMR
I'd guess it involves

Huge ports
cars lighter than fag packets
huge sticky tyres
proper auto boxes
and lots and lots of revs

Exactly, I think to compare UK drag FD's to the list you have provided is in my opinion b####x the quickest UK rotary arrived under its own steam, swapped tyres and run up the strip all day long with a standard drive train and fuel!
It didn't get re-built after every other run and had a standard chasis, and it was built on a shoe string.

Sorry for the rant but this sort of 'how wonderfull' the Yanks / Aus are I feel will do the UK scene no good at all, if you want to compare do it like for like.

[Norton]

Originally posted by John Yorke
if you want to compare, do it like for like.
I dont think anyone would disagree with you there, what i find incredible is that these 1.3 and 2.0 full on drag racer rotaries can compete head on with the 8 litre Supercharged V8s. Wouldnt it be great to see cars like Abel Ibarra's in the UK ?!!
I guess a lot of it is down to big sponsorship money... do you think we could we get Richard Branson along to Rotorstock 2 ??

[Dan Norton]

Thats the thing....the americans have a massive car/drag culture....they have dedicated series, with prize money and big sponsorship deals to boot.

We dont have that here in the uk.

[Dan Norton]

By the way...it would be intresting to see how many rotary powered cars there are here in the uk, compared to usa and aus and of course japan...... its a tiny tiny fraction....therefore, if rotary STREET cars here are hittings 10's ,ala geoff's, and no doubt some more tuners this year.....i bet ours here are some of the fastest rotary street cars in the world per rotary population...

if you catch my drift :D

[John Yorke]

My point entirely Dan, well said:D

[Carl]

There are plenty of street cars in the US and OZ that are quicker than us,and they are full bodied street legal and drive to the track.
For example take the YGO20B FC of Kristian Horsley in OZ,it ran 9.37 's 1/4's.This car was running a 13b turbo with full body,same weight as an FD RX7.
We have a lot of catching up to do.
Innovation is the key,anyone can just bolt aftermarket parts on a car.And innovation does cost money,as does making the engine last as Kristians did.
By pushing the boundaries that is where you find out what to fix and strengthen,and i am sure that Geff has learned alot about that with his 10 second car.
Still we must not sit on our laurels as it were.There is so much to catch up on.
Dan,I think that you will find that now we have in all likely hood more rotary cars than there are in OZ.
Regards
Carl

[Dan Norton]

Dan,I think that you will find that now we have in all likely hood more rotary cars than there are in OZ.
Regards
Carl [/B]

Really???:eek: ....i'm quite shocked at that...i thought becuase of all their old skool rotor stuff kicking about, plus the ability to import from japan like us....that they would have loads more :confused:

I suppose what i'm trying to say is.....really in all fairness....look how many people here in the uk with rotaries are dedicated to them, and race them/club event them......its not very many really is it.

Like when you go to shows, trackdays or whatever......look how many imprezza's, evo's, supra's there are about compared to how many rotaries there are.....then look how many of our rotories have been modified to such an extent to run 10/11's all day long.

For such a small community, we have some dam fast rotaries in the world i reckon.

Dan!!

[MikeLMR]

yes but Mazda have sold over 10'000 Rx8's at the last count, thats way more than the number sold in Oz

[Dan Norton]

Ok....exclude the rx8.....thats too new for everyone:D

Work rx7 backwards :)

[Carl]

Well,
How about 7000 1st gen RX7's for a start,and 8000 RX3's,just over 400 RX4's.
Regards
Carl

[Dan Norton]

Ok i see what carl and mike are saying........but out of those, the ones that are still running and we know of in our community :rolleyes: ....i'm just trying to defend our cause for how many fast rotaries we have for such a small community here in the uk:confused:

[MikeLMR]

theres no need to defend our cause, the UK builds some of the best motorsport cars in the world, they just aren't built to go quickly in a 1/4 mile or powered by a rotary engine.

its all just banter anyway and a little competition should help with rotary tuning in the UK.

[travellinbob]

Like Mike just said, some of the best motorsport cars are built in this country. Always have been and I have no doubt it will stay that way for a long time to come. However when you are a top rotary workshop in oz and have 20 or 30 (or more!!!) customers that are hell bent on going very very fast in their cars that they might just not use evry day, it does wonders for the need to improve. And of course if the buisness is doing well with loads of cashed up customers then you can afford to buy a rolling road, and blow a few dozen engines all in the name of research and development.
I reckon that whilst the uk doesnt have the fastest rotary powered cars in the world it is in a unique position to take advantage of the benifits of a worldwide thriving rotary scene.
In other words it is great.
cheers, self confessed raving aussie who loves mazdas and lives in the uk.

[John Yorke]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Carl
[B]There are plenty of street cars in the US and OZ that are quicker than us,and they are full bodied street legal and drive to the track.
For example take the YGO20B FC of Kristian Horsley in OZ,it ran 9.37 's 1/4's.This car was running a 13b turbo with full body,same weight as an FD RX7.

Q - Was this a street car? what gearbox / drive train?

We have a lot of catching up to do.

[A] Dont think so!

Innovation is the key,anyone can just bolt aftermarket parts on a car.And innovation does cost money,as does making the engine last as Kristians did.
[A] - [ so its not running now?]

By pushing the boundaries that is where you find out what to fix and strengthen,and i am sure that Geff has learned alot about that with his 10 second car.
Still we must not sit on our laurels as it were.There is so much to catch up on.

[A] The above paragraph does not make sence to me, as a respected expert in the UK rotary scene surely you should be promoting and encouraging people not telling them we are rubbish I would have thought the fact that Geff has made a 10sec car on such a limited budget would open peoples eyes and should be applauded.

Having attended the Jap performance shoot out last year [October] where the last 4 in it were 3 skybusses and a lone FD, the only one to arrive under its own steam and was built for a TENTH OF THE COST was the FD sure there is loads of potential to make a 8 - 9 sec rotary, but please dont suggest it will be a road car!

BTW the winning skybus just snuck under 10secs and had cost the owner over 100K to get there.

The point I am trying to make is there is a limit to how fast a street FD can go and I would say we are pretty much there unless you alter the peramiters.

Rant over hope you see this in a positive light.

[travellinbob]

Hi John, I dont think Carl was rubbishing anything or anyone. After all it would not be in his best interest to do so as he himself is an engine builder and an avid fan of the scene. I DO think that driving to the track ina 10sec car and then driving home is awesome and nothing to be underestimated.
And yes I 100% agree with you that alot of the fd owners just want a fast streetable car. Wheras alot of guys in oz and the states have their very fast 10sec cars as a weekend play thing.
cheers, michael.

[John Yorke]

Another point I would like to make is, in Aus and elsewhere they know how to prepare a track, it would be interesting to see one of these sub 10 sec cars perform on a cold miserable strip in the UK and see what times they can make:eek:

[Carl]

Hi John,
I am sure that you will have some suprises for us with your new engine combo,what time are you hoping for?
The car that I mentioned that ran low 9 second 1/4 miles most certainly was a full street legal car.It,just like Geffs car was driven to the strip.It also weighed the same as an FD RX7.
The car was featured in "Fast fours" a year or so back.
it was 1.3 seconds quicker than the current UK time which is a very steep task(The quicker the time the harder it get's to beat),don't forget that there are many other cars that are totally street legal running a rotary engine and doing even quicker times than Kristians,and they don't have to be FD RX7's.Kristian has now sold all of the components of that car and is building a 20b spaceframe chassis FC.Kristians engine was fine when he sold everything.
My comments about innovation are that since Geff pushed the boundaries of his car he obviously has learned something along the way with all of the things that break or get damaged,that is how you learn to improve things.I am not quite sure where the limited budget of Geff comes into it,it can't have been that limited.Hope you get the sense of the comment now.
There is no way that we are at the limit of a street FD,even 6 or 7 years ago there was an FD in the states that was running mid 10's,it eventually ran 9's.
I am sure that Geff is going to keep at it and will soon show another leap that only comes by development.His efforts so far have been great for this country.
I never said that we are rubbish,I just said that we have alot of catching up to do.And that is meant to encourage just that,quicker times.
I think if we took your view John then we would stay happily where we are now forever more.
One more thing,don't get blinded to the fact that we have some good circuit racers who run quick rotaries in this country too.They also have had alot of development work carried out on them.
Regards
Carl

[Carl]

Originally posted by John Yorke
Another point I would like to make is, in Aus and elsewhere they know how to prepare a track, it would be interesting to see one of these sub 10 sec cars perform on a cold miserable strip in the UK and see what times they can make:eek:

Hi again John,
It maybe of interest for you to know that there is a race series here that runs totally street legal cars that regularly run in the low 8 high 7 second ET's.It is called "Street Eliminator".
These cars are so street legal that they have to do around a 20 mile road run and pop into a petrol station,put some pump gas in and then do a hot start test.If they fail at all during this test then they do not race that weekend.I am sure that track prep is up to the best of them during events like that,and I have raced my RX3 on those day's,so can anyone.
Regards
Carl

[antnicuk]

Geffs car was not on pump gas................

[20B_boy]

Originally posted by Carl
For example take the YGO20B FC of Kristian Horsley in OZ,it ran 9.37 's 1/4's.This car was running a 13b turbo with full body,same weight as an FD RX7.
I think Kristians ran an auto box that he said he thought was worth a chunk of time and is nos'd from recollection? he's sticking a 20B in it now isnt he?

EDIT: just read your other post Carl, tubed and 20B'd.

[20B_boy]

Just checked FF's, few extracts from the write up when it was 13B full body still:

395kw from a MazSport 13B with 2mm Mazda steel seals
Modified Ford C4 3-spd auto box running
Aussie BTR 4.8:1 diff
Turbonetics T76 bb making 1.7bar off the line by using the trans brake and NOS :)
1270kg with driver.


"The car ran 12.2 with a manual but, as soon as the auto went in, times dropped by more than a full second to 11.1. Then, on the same night, the car ran a 10.3 as Kristian got used to its feel."

You reckon he was happy with his nights work?! :D

Parting shot in the article:

"it would be nice to get under 9.5" - guess he wants 8' now with the 20B :D

[Norton]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
The car ran 12.2 with a manual but, as soon as the auto went in, times dropped by more than a full second to 11.1. Then, on the same night, the car ran a 10.3 as Kristian got used to its feel."

Please excuse my ignorance...I take it that these are special Racing auto boxes? electronically/computer actuated manual boxes, not the old fashioned auto boxes full of torque converters etc which sapped loads of power and always gave slower times than manual boxes.
:confused:

[Carl]

Just a small note,Kristians car did not use Mazda steel seals.
And subsequent to that article ran the low 9's.
Regards
Carl

[Carl]

Originally posted by Norton
Please excuse my ignorance...I take it that these are special Racing auto boxes? electronically/computer actuated manual boxes, not the old fashioned auto boxes full of torque converters etc which sapped loads of power and always gave slower times than manual boxes.
:confused:

These are the old torque converter type of box that sapps a load of power.No ECU management.
Regards
Carl

[John Yorke]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
Just checked FF's, few extracts from the write up when it was
Modified Ford C4 3-spd auto box running
Aussie BTR 4.8:1 diff
Turbonetics T76 bb making 1.7bar off the line by using the trans brake and NOS :)
1270kg with driver.


"The car ran 12.2 with a manual but, as soon as the auto went in, times dropped by more than a full second to 11.1. Then, on the same night, the car ran a 10.3 as Kristian got used to its feel."

You reckon he was happy with his nights work?! :D



:D

I think that makes my point, this is no street car!

Carl
Your interpritation of a road car is somewhat different to mine, sure you can up the drive train which I think you will agree is the main difference between a 12 sec car and a 10 sec car dont matter how much power you have it aint no good unless you can transfer it to the tarmac
:cool . But, by doing that [trans/diff mods] it becomes an undrivable car [as in popping out for a Sunday spin ect.] sure you can drive it on the road AND get an MOT but that is not exactly making it a 'street' car is it?

As stated earlier in this thread it would be interesting to see one of these 8-9sec cars run those sort of times in the UK [I recon you would see 1/2sec added to thier best times].

My new set up is more about upping the power with safety and long engine life than making fast 1/4's.............. the old engine well that will be a different story:D

[20B_boy]

Originally posted by Carl
Just a small note,Kristians car did not use Mazda steel seals.
And subsequent to that article ran the low 9's.
Regards
Carl
I presume it was in on Ceramics then Carl?

I was just parrott-ing the FFs article, says Mazda 2mm steel I think.

[Carl]

Having spoken to kristain about his car it was pretty dirveable,and used regularly on the road.
Is Geffs a daily driver then?Or does it spend periods of time parked up?;)

The seals were steel but not Mazda.

Regards
Carl

[John Yorke]

Originally posted by Carl
Having spoken to kristain about his car it was pretty dirveable,and used regularly on the road.
Is Geffs a daily driver then?Or does it spend periods of time parked up?;)


Regards
Carl

Seems to me we will have to dissagree, there is no point in my contributing to this thread any more, you cant even agree that these Aus / US cars that run such 'electrifing' times are in all but name out and out drag cars.

It would be nice to see other UK rotaries running 10's [got any cars up for it yet?] or less but as stated earlier they wont be 'street' cars my idear of them anyway:rolleyes:

[Norton]

ermm, yes, time to agree to disagree.

I expect that there will be a few UK rotors into the 10 sec bracket during the next year or two, the competition seems to be hotting up thanks in no small part to 'Rotorstock'.
What i want to know is who is going to be the first to build a proper rotary engined 'funny car' in the UK (i assume thats what the US 6 & 7 sec cars are; one piece bodied cars that hinge up for access to reveal a 'space frame' chassis?). Anyone got a few hundred thousand pounds that they dont know what to do with? ;)

edit: or are they? im begining to suspect that the US cars may be very like funny cars but with opening doors? or are the door lines just painted on?
:confused:

2nd edit: Ive found the regs for the US Pro rear wheel drive class. Must have two functional doors, driver must be positioned to left or right of centreline (so not quite a 'funny car').
2 rotor min 908kg / 3 rotor min 999kg / 4 rotor prohibited (boo!) Methanol, Nitrous, supercharger or turbo (max 91.5mm). Any transmission (electronic/hydraulic/auto).

[20B_boy]

Originally posted by Carl
Is Geffs a daily driver then?Or does it spend periods of time parked up? ;)
I drove it pretty much every day until I got the mini - used to drive it a mile to and from work every day - low boost of course! :rollin

Only reason its been parked up recently are cause a) it needs new tyres!! (not me honest), b) there isnt room for it at the garage with my FD (and latterly my mini) and andys beemer laid up when on average there are probably 10 others cars in being worked on from day to day - and c) i'm parking the GT4 on the lawn at home as it is!

Mini will be gone next week hence red car is back from its holidays at Max's...will be 'home' again soon, may with some new bits too :bandit :D

Guys, to me a daily driver or street car is whatever u deem as such - as far as drag cars go, I think transmission is the key difference for me, mainly cause I hate autos so much and can only see the justification for having one if its a specific setup for the quarter! Obviously stuff like tubing and tubbs are more clear cut and that stuff doesnt interest me personally, I want a car that I can race at the strip or track and still drive for fun during the week on the way to work and through the twisties on the sunday - even if it is compromised in most areas by making it so.

Me, I would take the red car any where over any other car I have access to, even if it were long distance - its just too much fun to refuse. The only time I would take the birds car or the GT4 over the red car would be if I needed to carry more than a solitary passenger - or my other half was having a strop about the red car 'because its too fast and its noisey'.

All up - who cares, if 10s dont cut the mustard compared to other world wide 'street cars' then lets aim for a 9-some thing this year with one :p

[Carl]

That's great Rich.
I guess the new race gearbox should shave some time.
The only criteria I can see for a street car is that it is used on the street,Geffs fits that bill as do many other cars.Whatever the gearbox is being used doesn't make it a non street car.If it were the case then I guess we would have to exclude any gearbox upgrade.
I am not trying to take anything away from the achievements over here,on the contrary,but I was merely saying that due to the fact that we are behind other street cars in the world of rotaries we cannot sit around and make out that there is no further to go in improving what has been accomplished.
Looking forward to Geff or anyone else producing a 9 now.Let's keep that ball rolling!
Regards
Carl
:D

[20B_boy]

Originally posted by Carl
Whatever the gearbox is being used doesn't make it a non street car.
I meant specifically stuff like the G-Force, Jerrico's etc - the ones with all those handles un **** and 6K converters!:rollin Thats hardcore drag!

The box we will have will still be an FD case with a convention H-pattern which is shifted by hand - hopefully just a bit hardier so we dont need 5 of them a season :( Main reason being so its useable in different applications (and cars) with different rear ends.

One of you guys with an old rotor should be able to stick a decent motor in it, a rear end and get close to 9s in May, dont u think Carl? :cool

[MikeLMR]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
One of you guys with an old rotor should be able to stick a decent motor in it, a rear end and get close to 9s in May, dont u think Carl? :cool

I wish someone would, modern cars are much heavier than the old stuff due to the strict safety rules.

Multilink rear suspension doesn't hook up as well as a solid rear axle either

[20B_boy]

Exactly, the old stuff with non-IRS rear ends already are ripe for the job pretty cheaply, a stripped RX3 weighs about 3.5lbs doesnt it?! :)

[MikeLMR]

or you could go for somthing totally different, most of the standard stuff is going to be binned anyway so most 70's rwd cars would work a treat

[20B_boy]

Geff had a KE20 and I very nearly had a 75 Starlet coupe earlier in the year for this kind of thing - but we thought we had better get a few other things sorted first to make room - so the Toyoglide was sold and I didnt get the Starlet in the end. Also, I'd reallly want a Mazda if I were going for another oldie...

[MikeLMR]

as long as its got a rotary its all good stuff :)

[travellinbob]

Hey this has gotten my interest in stuff again. So I did a quick search on e-bay and found one of those new fangled 2 speed autos fully equiped with a transbrake and all the goodies. Fit for 750hp apparently. Anyone interested?? Cant put up a link as am too thick but will be happy to point people in the right direction.
Also found a fully welded tube frame to suit drag racing application.
DAMN me living sooo far away from everything.
Keep up the enthusiasm guys.
cheers, michael.

[Norton]

Man! LOOK at that turbo !!! :eek:
http://images.rotarynews.com/images/LVMS-NHRA_2005/images/img_4474.jpg

[20B_boy]

What is it? a GT47 or 55 or some thing? not small 4 sure!!!

[Norton]

sorry, no idea
http://images.rotarynews.com/images/LVMS-NHRA_2005/images/img_4408.jpg

[Norton]

Lots of photos at..
http://images.rotarynews.com/images/LVMS-NHRA_2005/

[OLSKOOLROTAR]

Originally posted by Norton
sorry, no idea
http://images.rotarynews.com/images/LVMS-NHRA_2005/images/img_4408.jpg

I want that turbo:D

I think its a Garret !f****** huge!!!:D model.

RE: Auto Boxes. The C4 auto box is street legal, it was put in alot of Fords from the late 60's up until recently, it is used for its strength and durability in drag cars. My 1st car I bought in Australia was fitted with a 5.0 L V8 it had a Turbo Hydro 400 and a 5k torque converter, i was knocking out over 450bhp. It was completely streetable and legal and I certainly did more than sunday driving in it;) . Not a bad 1st car at 17:cool . Also just thought I'd mention back home has much tougher laws regarding whats street legal or not than here, more often than not its a minefield, i think the UK is pretty lucky, for the moment anyway!

Jase

[flectron]

Originally posted by OLSKOOLROTAR


I think its a Garret

:rollin

wow how d'you do it sherlock?
and how did you manage to spell Garrett wrong even with the 'clue'??
although you can't even spell 'rotor' right in your NAME:p
or is that the aussie spelling mate?

;)

[Carl]

Abel is running a Garrett GT 55 turbo.
He has just set another fastest 1/4 mile time of 6.764 at 204.35 mph.
Regards
Carl

[OLSKOOLROTAR]

Originally posted by flectron
:rollin

wow how d'you do it sherlock?
and how did you manage to spell Garrett wrong even with the 'clue'??
although you can't even spell 'rotor' right in your NAME:p
or is that the aussie spelling mate?

;)

Okay't smart't arse't hows't this't then't :D 't

[travellinbob]

Oi Fletron, back off on the aussie jokes:p United we stand, divided we run off screeming back to the homeland to cold beer, warm weather and plentifull bikini clad chicks.



by the way, do you want to sell me your 1000 yet?:D

[OLSKOOLROTAR]

Originally posted by travellinbob
Oi Fletron, back off on the aussie jokes:p United we stand, divided we run off screeming back to the homeland to cold beer, warm weather and plentifull bikini clad chicks.



by the way, do you want to sell me your 1000 yet?:D

Its okay bob I'm just gonna open up a few cans of whoop ass when I see him, should be quite funny watching him try and pick up his teeth with broken fingers:p :rollin :rollin :rollin

p.s i dont do running thats a mugs game :D

[flectron]

wow i hope you paid that photographer well - he's really flattered you there, jase. you only look semi-retarded :p

you said on the phone it was taken on a wedding trip to vegas, right? is that your 'sheila' then? she's a real looker..


;)

[Carl]

Hey Jason,
Did you get the bits?
regards
Carl

[OLSKOOLROTAR]

Originally posted by flectron
wow i hope you paid that photographer well - he's really flattered you there, jase. you only look semi-retarded :p

you said on the phone it was taken on a wedding trip to vegas, right? is that your 'sheila' then? she's a real looker..


;)

Make that a crate of WHOOP ASS ;)

Semi-retarded eh? , fine specimen to speak arent we. With a face like yours mate you should treat it like treasure........... F****** bury it:D

Your mate Jase:wave

[MikeLMR]

The Puerto Ricans are hot on the trail of this title now ... this car has only run a few times and the times are certainly starting to tumble !

[MikeLMR]

blatently nicked from Ausrotary BTW

http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=75690&start=40

[20B_boy]

Another fun thread on AR :cool

Nice to see Glenn's engine builder doing some thing right, very quick - especially when you consider the track time to date! :eek

[Norton]

Excellent!... Pity the video link of it on AR doesnt work.

[MikeLMR]

Abel Ibarra seems to be on it again ... 209mph terminal speed shows that his car is making a shed load of power !

[MikeLMR]

6:79 @ 209 mph

Theres going to be a new world record soon !

[MikeLMR]

more antilag action !

[ArmyOfOne]

Most of the issues with Abels car have to do with rear suspension setup. All the times I have seen that car run, I have only seen it run 2 consistent passes in a row. The car suffers from severe tire shake. How much power it makes is irrelevant. The car needs to be consistent. Because of this I am sure that this year he will be losing the title to Puerto Ricos "Major League". Every time that car comes out it runs consistent. You can only make a consistent car go faster because it shows you immediately if your adjustments were correct or not.

[banned advertiser]

Some of the times may be wrong but I got a small list of fast rotarys here.
http://www.rotaryart.uk.com/acatalog/Performance_Tested_Apex_Seals.html

[normski]

Speed is just a simple case of money, how fast do you wanna go??

[MikeLMR]

toyota prooved that wrong ... how fast do they want to go in F1 ... they certainly put the money in but they aren't quick! Theres a lot more to it than money ...

[Dominic]

How does that intercooler thingy work on Abel's drag car???

[John Yorke]

How does that intercooler thingy work on Abel's drag car???
That is a charge cooler, basicly its a water cooled intercooler, instead of relying on air to cool it, it has a water jacket to keep the temps down.

[Dominic]

Ahhh, I see. Thanks

[Rotary Freak]

an up-date!
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o8/Motec_01/25aspirados.jpg

[Rotary Freak]

the rest of 50
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o8/Motec_01/aspiradosrestantes.jpg

[oldone]

Staggering times !"!!!!!!!.....:cool :D

[DRAGON]

Funny thread to read now!

[ArmyOfOne]

Well they did it again!

Fastest 3/4 Chassis, La Anais

1.13 @ 60'
3.04 @ 330'
4.65 @ 660'
6.058 @ 1000'
7.272 sec @ 183.66 Miles per hour

This is a 13B!! Of course from Puerto Rico.

http://www.agracingvideo.com/videos/salinas/anais/anaislow.wmv

[oldone]

Well they did it again!

Fastest 3/4 Chassis, La Anais

1.13 @ 60'
3.04 @ 330'
4.65 @ 660'
6.058 @ 1000'
7.272 sec @ 183.66 Miles per hour

This is a 13B!! Of course from Puerto Rico.

http://www.agracingvideo.com/videos/salinas/anais/anaislow.wmv
:god :god :Thumbsup! :D :cool

[royal]

Omg! thats a good vid!

[beast20vt]

looks like an mg metro:2Rolleyes

[20B_boy]

Well they did it again!

Fastest 3/4 Chassis, La Anais

1.13 @ 60'
3.04 @ 330'
4.65 @ 660'

Amazing how straight it pulls out of the hole! Looks WELL sorted, must've put some serious time into that chassis :god

[DRAGON]

So impressed with the 13b pulling those kind of numbers. Thought the sixty would have been lower for a 7.2.

[Rotary Freak]

last night La sarita a toyota starlet ran 7.28 @ 186 mph another one in the 7.2

[MikeLMR]

video http://www.agracingvideo.com/videos/salinas/25abril2007/sarita728.wmv

I'm always impressed how well setup these cars are. Doesn't seem to be any wasted energy in this run! straight and level all the way.

[Rotary Freak]

this saturday they will test another toyota starlet now owned by the owner of microtech they are here right now in P.R. to test the car before taking it to australia!

[normski]

Something tells me that you now believe me norton??!!LOL!
:rollin
Regards
Carl

Don't think my 3 rotor would keep up with that! I give up :guinness

[Rotary Freak]

fastest full chasis- sporty RX-7 7.15 at 176mph
fastest 3/4 chasis- pica RX-7 7.19 at 189mph
this is for now? next wensday who knows?