4rotor FD in the build

[Glenn Butcher]

I am having a 4rotor FD built in Australia/New Zealand. Engine will be a Naturally Aspirated - Peripheral Port engine. See http://www.4rotor.com for details.

It will look something like this upon completion:

http://www.4rotor.com/images/re-amemiya/re-amemiya-frontpage.jpg

[Weasel]

G'day mate!

I CANNOT WAIT to hear this baby! :)

R.

[FRENCH7]

Do you want to race with your 4-rotor FD in UK Glenn ?
And when ?:rolleyes:

[HI RPM RX3]

going to wicked glenn. got the best in the world working on it. :D
may the emptying of the wallet begin!!!

[Glenn Butcher]

Hi there,

Not much to tell, but I have updated the www.4rotor.com site. The gearbox and diff. have now arrived.

Bodykit is also ready to be shipped from Japan.

[philipgrx7]

Give us some figures then Glen, are you expecting 800+hp & sub 9sec 1/4ers? (what weight are you aiming for?)

Very interested in your racing ambitions, Sprints, Drags or GT racing?

Yep, def. can't wait for this to land on out shores

Most Respect
Phil

[<--rYaN-->]

i thought you were after the RE gt 2002 bodykit?? only ever seen one of them, although i do like the r-magic one also, but i dont think that would be as useful for track, it seems more cosmetic than the RE kit, however im sure it will be better than stock ;) :D

[4RotorRocket]

Good luck with that project,when will it be done?

[Glenn Butcher]

Hi all,

.ps 3RotorRocket - will be a while yet, maybe mid-late next year. Trying to do it all properly which takes time and money :(

Some update pics for you all...

Shell is almost bare now, I am removing all the body deadener (bugger of a job!)

[Glenn Butcher]

Brakes have arrived...

[Fish]

Now all you need to do is ship those brakes over and I'll make sure they work ok. ;)

Dan

[DRAGON]

Stunning Brakes Glen, more pics please!

[Glenn Butcher]

Brake rotor's are AP, and the calipers are http://www.harrop.com.au/ (Australian company). Basically they will be the same set-up as the V8 Supercars out here in Oz.

Rotor's are 14inch front and 13inch rear, calipers are titanium 6 piston.

The Bells are yet to be made (for attachment to the hubs).

Another shot attached...


.ps Danny - already had the new pads bedded in :) thanks anyways! hehehehe

[craig]

now that is going to be 1 hell of a nice car (zoom-zoom):D

[Fish]

Glenn, not for bedding in, just for testing, i.e. making surethe bias is setup properly.... :D

I would hate for there to be too much rear bias.

Dan

[Glenn Butcher]

After many many months (almost 12!) - my bodykit has finally arrived. 4 massive boxes full of goodies.

I should have some pics. later this week/early next week. RE Amemiya may be a pain in the butt to deal with, but their work is outstanding - you should see the carbon bonnet! :) I'll get some close-up pics.

[rextreme]

Very exciting dude.

Will look very mad indeed.

I have my box too Glenn. Its sitting right behind me and takes up half my lounge room!

I do agree their stuff is great. It just bolts on a fits.
My G9 bonnet was excellent. I didnt go for Carbon though. Just FRP

There are some pics on my site.

I hope to fit the GT AD kit over the xmas break when I have time to pull the car apart. (take the front and rear off.)

RE Amemiya were great with me.
They delivered COD with free shipping on only a small deposit
I got 20% off too.
(I am in japan mind you.)

Russ

[DRAGON]

How much was the kit? and what do you get?

[Glenn Butcher]

I got:

GT Widebody Kit

1. Front nose
2. Carbon bonnet
3. Sleek light kit / with 99spec lights also
4. Front guards
5. Side skirts
6. Rear guards
7. Rear bumper
8. Rear diffuser in carbon
9. Rear light surround
10. One of the most awesome rear wings I have even seen in carbon that is as big as a jumbo's! :) along with come CNC aluminium machined brackets.

I think that is it - was going to go fibreglass doors, but I can afford to take a lot of weight out of the standard doors as the rollcage will give it strength.

I think it was YEN650,000 all up (but I got a discount also). By the time you pay for shipping and taxes it makes it a very expensive kit.

We are also going to remove the metal guards on the car itself to reduce weight so doing all that and the paint makes it even more expensive!

Should look pretty damn good though.

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by rextreme
Very exciting dude.

Will look very mad indeed.

I have my box too Glenn. Its sitting right behind me and takes up half my lounge room!

I do agree their stuff is great. It just bolts on a fits.
My G9 bonnet was excellent. I didnt go for Carbon though. Just FRP

There are some pics on my site.

I hope to fit the GT AD kit over the xmas break when I have time to pull the car apart. (take the front and rear off.)

RE Amemiya were great with me.
They delivered COD with free shipping on only a small deposit
I got 20% off too.
(I am in japan mind you.)

Russ

Hi Russ,

:) they packed the stuff pretty well - but it had to be repacked for Aussie customs. What is your site address again?

It did take 12months from when I had actually paid for it - up front mind you, so it was frustrating to wait all that time. I found the language barrier was the main problem and Inukai would not answer his emails etc. But we got there in the end.

[rextreme]

Did you get all that for 650 000,
My sums add up to over 800 000

If so dude you got a real bargain.

Pics are here on my project page.
FD Project (http://www25.brinkster.com/REXTREME/REXTREME_Project.htm)
Small If you want big I can post.

Mine was 150 for Wide body + 70 for bonnet.
Im thinking about G9 front at the moment.
Probably gonna get it. 110

[ENVY]

Awesome project... keeping my eyes on this :)

Gaz.

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by rextreme
Did you get all that for 650 000,
My sums add up to over 800 000

If so dude you got a real bargain.

Pics are here on my project page.
FD Project (http://www25.brinkster.com/REXTREME/REXTREME_Project.htm)
Small If you want big I can post.

Mine was 150 for Wide body + 70 for bonnet.
Im thinking about G9 front at the moment.
Probably gonna get it. 110

Oh yeah! don't remind me, that only includes a few things (not the bonnet,rear diffuser, light kits, etc.) I think I spent another 500,000 with them :eek:

[Fishy]

But in GBP thats about £2.50... ;)

Dan

[Glenn Butcher]

RIGHTO!!!

Full steam ahead now. Car is 99% stripped, just have to finish off the removal of the body deadener. Then the boys can start work.

Following has been ordered:

Sparco Evo2 seats x 2
Sabelt harness 6 point x 1
Sabelt harness 4 point x 1
Fire extingisher bomb x 1
Sparco steering wheel x 1
Steering wheel quick release x 1
Window net x 1
Feed spherical bearing set
Front wheels 18 x 10.5 x 2 (if they'll fit)
Rear wheels 18 x 12 x 2 (if they'll fit)
Coilover shocks/springs
Peddle Box x 1
(think that is it for the moment).

Guys will start to design the rollcage soon, then install.

Still a LONG way to go - but it is moving along now. Always the way, they have a load of other major projects to start/complete all at the same time. (Lotus Elise racecar, two older BMW's (one with an E36 M3 transplant), BMW E36 production racecar, 8 second VW, supercharged M3, a very serious FC aiming to be one of the most powerful 13B's in the country, Allistair's EVIL7, etc. etc.). So busy times ahead!

[Glenn Butcher]

Here are the wheels I am looking at, can be finished in various colours. They are being used in the Porsche Cup here, and Ferrari Challenge (so quite light in weight):

http://www.simmonswheel.com.au/images/Alta5studlrg.jpg

[Fish]

Glenn, so long as the offset is correct they should fit up front. Some of the US guys have them without problem, but should be even easier for you with your wide arch kit. ;)

Dan

[Glenn Butcher]

Ta Dan, yep - proof will be in the pudding. They are all meant to fit, but will be measured up soon.

The widebody kit really isn't that much wider when temporarly put on the car - we all thought it was going to be more.

[HI RPM RX3]

WOOHOO! go the simmons glenn!!!

[DRAGON]

I have 10F and 12R for mine, I dont think fitting will be an issue. what pedal box and master cylinder set-up have you gone for, any links?

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by HI RPM RX3
WOOHOO! go the simmons glenn!!!

hehehe! hopefully they look good being wide!

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by DRAGON
I have 10F and 12R for mine, I dont think fitting will be an issue. what pedal box and master cylinder set-up have you gone for, any links?

Cheers Ross, I'm going for a Tilton set-up (2 peddle). Link here:

http://www.tiltonracing.com/tiltonbrake.pdf

[HI RPM RX3]

Originally posted by gbutcher
hehehe! hopefully they look good being wide!

the wider the better. :D
are you thinking of getting them direct from simmons or a shop?
the prices range in a pretty major way from place to place thats why i ask.

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by HI RPM RX3
the wider the better. :D
are you thinking of getting them direct from simmons or a shop?
the prices range in a pretty major way from place to place thats why i ask.

They will have to be custom for the size therefore have to come straight from the factory, Alessio knows the main Simmons guy.

[Glenn Butcher]

Fuel tank now ordered.

It is a custom tank made out of Carbon Fibre, built by the same company that did the SP RX-7's for Bathurst. It has its own internal swirl pot, baffling, valves, etc. along with 2 intank pre-pumps. And is 120litres.

[Glenn Butcher]

Roll cage tube has now been ordered. 60 meters of it!!! going to be a very complex cage.

City Performance will now hold the FIA homologation papers for FD RX-7's - nice eh! (Carl - they know how to do the cage now, but I still need to know the best category).


Seam welding of the chassis will also start in a week or so's time.

There will be pics.! just need a little time.

[clive]

Originally posted by gbutcher
Roll cage tube has now been ordered. 60 meters of it!!! going to be a very complex cage.

.

Your going to be suppressed because as soon as you start seeing it cut into lengths you will realise that 60ft is not that much !!!!!

Pleased it's progressing.

[Carl]

Hi Clive,I think it was 60 meters,not feet.
I am still persuing it Glenn,I have looked at the rules for Special Saloons,it is a no goer I'm afraid.
I am still looking but the only thing near so far is dependent on whether you are keeping your monocoque?
I will mail you privately.
Kind regards
Carl

[Glenn Butcher]

Thanks Carl - which part of the book did you think that it wouldn't qualify for Special Saloon's? From what I read it looked ok - but you never know!

I was thinking all this time that Castle Coombe GT's may be the go - even if I run at the back of the field. But again I don't know the class and regulations for the CCGT's.

[J4P RX]

http://www.brscc.co.uk/rulesandregs/CCGT_2003.pdf

Though personally Id look at expected lap times and try to go somewhere close.

1.03 around Castle Combe is pretty quick. Im sure there are serious out there, just they are likely to be club series and not particularly well known.

Lee

[Carl]

Hi Glenn,
in the Saloon car series your engine is ineligible as it was never offered to the public as a road going engine.
The same goes for many championships.
I am still trying to talk to the people who run the Castle Coombe GTs.
The only problems with them is that every race is at Coombe and they do not like noisy cars.
I will let you know when I have something.
Kind regards
Carl

[Glenn Butcher]

It is still going to be difficult to be competitive. Some GT's have loads more aero and some have 500hp with 650kgs, so no chance there.

Thanks Lee, I have seen those regs. in the past somewhere and it has confirmed for me that the cars fall into the "Special Saloons" category i.e. they are not really Saloons.

Carl - again looking pretty closely through the Blue Book and that document link I can't see any reference to the engine needing to be a Production based engine. Other documents refered to in the Blue Book are the FIA Appendix J - Group A docs. which is here: http://www.fia.com/regle/REG_TEC/Annexes_J-textes/255.pdf and it does reference the rotary engine (as per the screen dump) but I still cannot see anything about it having to be a production based engine.

Looks like we are all going to become experts on this eh! :)


I think ultimately the car will really just be built to get out and have some fun, but to comply with basic regs. for whichever category (that is even a problem here in Oz - the 4rotor can't run in what we call the Sports Sedans).

I have a feeling that I will only be doing track days, sprints, etc. - which will still be great fun.

Noise shouldn't be too much of a problem Carl, the guys are pretty sure they can sort something. I'll have a number of different exhaust configs. I think.

[Carl]

Hi Glenn,
What you have to look at is the regs for the series,not just the blue book.
I will let you more soon.
Kind regards
Carl

[Glenn Butcher]

Posted some pics. up just now with the progress, a few here (more on www.4rotor.com) :

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-feb/shell_250204_01.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-feb/shell_250204_04.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-feb/shell_250204_07.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-feb/shell_250204_09.jpg

[20B_boy]

Ready for seam welding? :)

How long did u spend cleaning/scraping it to get all the sounds deadening etc off?

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
Ready for seam welding? :)

How long did u spend cleaning/scraping it to get all the sounds deadening etc off?

Yep - probably start the welding tomorrow/Friday.

Far too long! but I wanted to make it as neat as possible. I have been doing it a few days a week over the last few months.

I think that it would be 3 weeks flat out on it, haven't done the bottom yet! gotta get it on the hoist for that.

It is a real killer job!!!!!

[rextreme]

Glenn,

Looking smooth. All that work will bring rewards.

Here is a pic of the D1 Drift Amemiya FD being prepped.
Might give some ideas

Russ.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/bbs/files/00007605.jpg

[Glenn Butcher]

G'Day Russ!

Ta for that pic. be good to get some close ups? - if you can?


Another pics. from today, seam welding has started...

[Glenn Butcher]

Engine bay preparation...

[Glenn Butcher]

Fuel pumps...

[J4P RX]

Glenn,

What colour is it going to be? I am presuming you are going to spray it how it is to tidy up the look of the inside and stuff?

Cheers
Lee

[Glenn Butcher]

Hi Lee!

Colour is a secret at the moment ;)

It won't be painted for quite some time, as there is so much more to do. But to get it to where it is has taken almost countless man hours to do - it is such a huge job removing all that body deadener etc. Still have to do the underside of the car.

[rextreme]

I dont have any more pics but this is the leg-sport car.

Basically the same.

Lots of amemiya stuff on it.

There are some pics here.

http://www.leg-sport.com/democar/0608.html

At the front I noticed there is an interesting mod.

They made a special mount for the Tower bar. It doesnt interfere with the Strut tops. Should give a better result.

See engine bay pic here.

[Glenn Butcher]

Thanks Russ for the pic. and the link (some interesting cages there!).

[Jus]

@ Glen B.

Fantastic project, wish you all the best.

Jus

[JamesFD3]

G'day Glen,

Just been looking at your project and hats off to you mate,that's really gonna be some car when you've finished,surely one of the most extreme RX-7's in the world.The 4-rotor engine should be fantastic being N/A with a huge torque output.Here's a picture of Mazda's 700bhp LeMans winning 4-rotor.

All the best for the project.

Regards

James

ps will contact in the near future for some tech info on my 20B JC...

[Glenn Butcher]

Cheers James - nice pic. of an R26B. Hopefully mine will look similar :) and have similar power :)

Hopefully there will be quite a lot of interest in the car once completed around the world.

.ps No probs. I can find out a bit for you on the JC here.

[JamesFD3]

Thanks Glen,

Any info on the 20B JC would be much appreciated,will PM you to discuss further..

Cheers

James

[Glenn Butcher]

Hi all,

More goodies have arrived, and I temporarily fitted parts of the body kit up today (MORE PICS ON www.4rotor.com) ...

Spherical Bearings (thanks for RE:Worx for sorting the bearings!)...
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/suspension/4rotor_spherical-bearings_03.jpg

Body kit...

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-mar/4rotor_mar04_09.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-mar/4rotor_mar04_04.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-mar/4rotor_mar04_07.jpg

[20B_boy]

Does Geff get a small sticker on the under side of your lip spoiler or some thing for that? :rollin

[Glenn Butcher]

Not sure yet - waiting for all the sponsors to start bidding! :)

None have come along yet??? why :confused:

[Carl]

That's funny,
I have not got any sponsors either Glen,
I just had my engine balanced yesterday.That was good to see.In fact I worked with the guy on it,so got to see how it is all done in detail.
Hope to get it installed soon.
Back to the sponsors thing Actually Ross at dragon and Tim at RX Motor's have both helped me somewhat with certain parts.Big thanks to them.
Kind regards
Carl
:D

[Glenn Butcher]

Is that the 4rotor Carl?

Originally posted by Carl
That's funny,
I have not got any sponsors either Glen,
I just had my engine balanced yesterday.That was good to see.In fact I worked with the guy on it,so got to see how it is all done in detail.
Hope to get it installed soon.
Back to the sponsors thing Actually Ross at dragon and Tim at RX Motor's have both helped me somewhat with certain parts.Big thanks to them.
Kind regards
Carl
:D

[Carl]

Hi Glen,
yes that's right.
kind regards
Carl

[John Yorke]

Oh Carl you :bandit - That has just made Rotorstock a little bit more interesting:cool

[Carl]

I Hope so to John!
Kind regards
Carl

[bill shurvinton]

I'm working on it :-)

Now where's that pulley ?

[DRAGON]

Looking very sexy. Are you going to remove any of the metal in the rear quarters, or just bond the new wings to the existing ones?

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by DRAGON
Looking very sexy. Are you going to remove any of the metal in the rear quarters, or just bond the new wings to the existing ones?

Cheers Ross,

Looking to remove as much metal as possible - the roll cage is actually going to add quite a bit of weight because of its complexity (being certified). So we need the weight out!!! :)

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by Carl
Hi Glen,
yes that's right.
kind regards
Carl

Good stuff Carl!!

[Glenn Butcher]

Fuel Injectors and Fuel Pumps have arrived...

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-may/injectors_02.jpg

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-may/fuelpumps_01.jpg

[rextreme]

Glenn, Ross and guys,

In the latest Rx7 Magazine theres a few pics of the new Gt300 spec cars, ??cant read who is building but not amemiya.

They have removed a lot of metal from it. The rear guards are almost non existant and even under the side skirts is missing.

I will scan in the pics for you when I go back to work on Tuesday, I left the Magazine there.

BTW
Got some 99spec chrome indicators so I have narrowed down the front bar decision to something that accepts them. Looking to Upgrade wheels at the moment, then the car will head back to OZ after the end of this month.

Russ.

[Schtoo]

Yes Rx7, but which one in particular?

If I get half a chance (between curtains and lights shopping for new place) I'll stop by the bookshop and take a look. See if we can't work out who's doing what.

Besides, if I can't read it, she can... ;)

Actually Glenn, I have a question if you don't mind.

The crank for this animal, I noticed somewhere you said it was 'Custom' CNC machined. Does that mean you went to someone and asked them to make one up, is it an off the shelf part from somewhere or what exactly? And if it was from a machine shop somewhere, was it expensive, as in hideously expensive, pricy but worth it or a relative bargain?

Just curious is all. At least you might give me a reason to spend more than plane changeover time in Sydney next time I go back. Even after spending 6 weeks in the suburb next to Blacktown (starts with an A?). That left a lasting impression... Not a good one either. :eek:

BTW, hurry up! ;)

[20B_boy]

Alec Bell/Kiwi-RE are building the engine I think - I dunno if they make the cranks themselves?

BTW, Glenn - see the Kiwi-RE RX2 in FF's this month - SWEET :)

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by rextreme
Glenn, Ross and guys,

In the latest Rx7 Magazine theres a few pics of the new Gt300 spec cars, ??cant read who is building but not amemiya.

They have removed a lot of metal from it. The rear guards are almost non existant and even under the side skirts is missing.

I will scan in the pics for you when I go back to work on Tuesday, I left the Magazine there.

BTW
Got some 99spec chrome indicators so I have narrowed down the front bar decision to something that accepts them. Looking to Upgrade wheels at the moment, then the car will head back to OZ after the end of this month.

Russ.

YES - PLEASE PLEASE SCAN, that sort of stuff if VERY helpful. It is great to get ideas from other people. I actually have the guy looking at some of the bodywork already, we are planning on taking as much metal out as possible.

.ps You coming back to Sydney?

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by Schtoo
Yes Rx7, but which one in particular?

If I get half a chance (between curtains and lights shopping for new place) I'll stop by the bookshop and take a look. See if we can't work out who's doing what.

Besides, if I can't read it, she can... ;)

Actually Glenn, I have a question if you don't mind.

The crank for this animal, I noticed somewhere you said it was 'Custom' CNC machined. Does that mean you went to someone and asked them to make one up, is it an off the shelf part from somewhere or what exactly? And if it was from a machine shop somewhere, was it expensive, as in hideously expensive, pricy but worth it or a relative bargain?

Just curious is all. At least you might give me a reason to spend more than plane changeover time in Sydney next time I go back. Even after spending 6 weeks in the suburb next to Blacktown (starts with an A?). That left a lasting impression... Not a good one either. :eek:

BTW, hurry up! ;)

No probs. - the Crank is actually made by a company called Precision Engineering in New Zealand, they make custom 3 and 4 rotor shafts. The 4 rotor shaft kit is around USD$5500 I think. But I am getting a complete engine from Alec at www.kiwi-re.com through the guys at City Performance (they use to work together). Engine will be using all new parts, Ianetti seals., RX-8 rotors etc., there is obviously a lot of money there.

hehehe - at least you were close to Eastern Creek - you have to check it out on a Wed. night if you haven't already.

Good things take time! and LOADS of dosh! :)

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
Alec Bell/Kiwi-RE are building the engine I think - I dunno if they make the cranks themselves?

BTW, Glenn - see the Kiwi-RE RX2 in FF's this month - SWEET :)

Hi Rich,

Yep - Alec's doing the engine, Precision doing the crank.

I haven't even got the mag. yet! bloody hell, better get down the newsagent!

[20B_boy]

Theres a (small!) pic of the purple beast in the back, apparently its meant to be debuting soon ? Looks the nuts.

Went to Shakespeare today; bit of a culture shock after santa pod. Mostly yank big block chevy's etc but some other interesting stuff. Quite a few 8s and 9s run, couple of 7's and a couple of 6's by the jet car at 250-280mph...

Much more of a spectators venue, lots of room for camping too, well organised, very good (well prepared and sticky) track etc etc.

[rextreme]

Schtoo,
The new Rx7 Magazine has Silver Scoot FD.
Lots of georgeos pics for me in this one.
It also mentions Sevens day but I cant tell If Its on at Fuji.
I think they moved it to Central Ti circuit.
Fuji speedway is not holding the drift of Power tour this year either. :confused: SUCKS. I think that track is Just too expensive.
My She can read but she cant tell me what she read. :(

Any way.
Glenn.

No problems. I,ll scan You will be amazed.
As I said Tuesday usually home late. 12ish your time.
I'll go back to the gold coast initially so the car will come in through Brisbane.
Then I was thinking about Melbourne. Just see where the IT jobs are. Sydney You never know. But not likely. Melbourne more possible.

Russ.

[Schtoo]

Glenn, so that's "don't eat for a month or three" kinda cash. Still, understandable given what it is. As for the loads of dosh, well you didn't seriously think building a car that half CF and has two engines bolted together would be cheap did you? ;) Eastern Creek, we could hear them from our motel, but too tired to do anything about it. Working 12 hour days 13 days a fortnight kinda wears you out a tad...

Rex, I should actually grab that mag. Sounds like it might be a better deal than just reading it (ala local style). Plenty of eye candy always goes down well.

As for her, well, I'm sure she has other talents that make up for her inability to relay what your magazines say. I'd bet large sums of money on that. ;)

Seems a lot of things are deserting Fuji this year. Makes me think it's more than just $$$ cost, but that something might be happening. Either it's going to become something else (who knows?) or it's getting a facelift. But things be strange around there.

Why do I care anyway, theres a local track not far from here I will probably have to frequent when I get some appropriate wheels. The Saber just doesn't cut it iin the corners or the straights or under brakes or anywhere for that matter. Well, it's comfortable (and it needs Shaken!)...

Enough thread hijacking. I'll grab the mag and see what it says. I'll leave the pics to you as I am sure you will prolly scan them anyway and I'm between homes right now, so things are a mess!

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
Theres a (small!) pic of the purple beast in the back, apparently its meant to be debuting soon ? Looks the nuts.

Went to Shakespeare today; bit of a culture shock after santa pod. Mostly yank big block chevy's etc but some other interesting stuff. Quite a few 8s and 9s run, couple of 7's and a couple of 6's by the jet car at 250-280mph...

Much more of a spectators venue, lots of room for camping too, well organised, very good (well prepared and sticky) track etc etc.

I must have missed that one, latest is the one with the MR2 on the cover.

Great - that sounds promising re Shakespeare, I remember the first time I saw Funny Cars run at Calder in Melbourne. One ran a 6.22 @ 220mph the other a 6.3 @ 222 mph - just amazing!

Great stuff - hopefully not too many broken diffs/gearboxes!

[Glenn Butcher]

Cheers you guys in Japan!

Schtoo - buying £1000+ worth of injectors alone it should make me very skinny! but it hasn't! maybe I have to keep spending :rollin

[Schtoo]

Fully intended to stop by the bookshop and grab a copy, I really did.

But we ended up buying a sofa (Normal price was Y128000, got it for Y20000) so it made for a time poor day. :(

Well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it darn it!

It had absolutely nothing to do with 'christening' the new place, none whatsoever... ;)

I'll grab a copy tomorrow and see what it says. At least we aren't going to be busy, err, shopping for new stuff.

[rextreme]

Hey Finally got my magazine home.


It is Re-Amemiya's new GT300 car.

Sorry for mis info.

[rextreme]

Rear quarters

[rextreme]

Front

[rextreme]

About RE-Amemiya and JGTC

http://www.jgtc.net/race/inside/2002e/repo022.htm

[rextreme]

A few more off their site.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/bbs/files/00007775.jpg

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/bbs/files/00007895.jpg

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/bbs/files/00007949.jpg

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/bbs/files/00007952.jpg

[Schtoo]

Because I have not been able to find the darn thing yet.

I read this thing and it basically says "The building and materials in RE Amemiya's new machine" as far as I can work out.

Next was "Why the heck did he say it wasn't Amemiya???" I guess the Scoot cover was playing tricks. ;)

I just wish the local book chain wasn't so useless. The have stores everywhere, very little good stuff in them, including the two huge stores here (one even has car parking).

I'd give my left *** for a good bookstore here. It's the main thing I really miss, being able to buy books that I actually want to read. The store here carries English stuff as a service to the locals, nothing more. And they wonder why nobody buys anything.

Sorry about the rant. :)

[Glenn Butcher]

Thanks so much for the pictures Russ, what a serious looking car eh!

Certainly gives me a few ideas!

[rextreme]

Yeah looks mad.
The rear guards are just.......gone :eek:

Good luck with the grinder

I just skimmed the mag,
I saw amemiya symbol but i thought maybe a competitor.
when it comes to kanji.
My jap is crap.
:rollin
But I can actually read that. "RE-Amemiya New Machine"
Its a good mag this one.

I managed to pick up all the old hyper revs and RE Magazines for 200 yen each at Book OFF. a lucky find.

[rextreme]

Found these pics of a car from

www.makeup-power.co.jp

at the sapporo auto salon.


http://www.auto-show21.com/motershow/sapporo_mo04/car03/img_9671.jpg

http://www.auto-show21.com/motershow/sapporo_mo04/car03/img_9672.jpg

http://www.auto-show21.com/motershow/sapporo_mo04/car03/img_9468.jpg


Also
On the latest option video there is a article on the D1 FD which shows the inside and building the car.

interesting stuff like this.
they reinforced the front for crashes and placed the intercooler and stuff way back towards the engine.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/d1/pic/test/d1_0.jpg

I dont have any capture software sorry.

Russ

[Glenn Butcher]

Not much been happening the last few months - had a bit of a personal blow, but getting back on track slowly. Completion still may be another year away, good things come to those who wait!! :)

A little more work is being done now...

Dummy block is together, gearbox is together - with engine (remote shifter mechanism for the Holinger ordered).

All suspension components are being anodised then will be assembled again. Virtually every single suspension component will be a spherical bearing type set-up.

Left-hand drive dash, instrument cluster, and steering rack has been ordered from the US.

Shocks and springs have been ordered.

Measurements have been made, wheels have been ordered we are going for 18 x 10 inch on the front, and 18 x 12 inch on the rear. Decided to go with the 5 stud set-up, but rims will have a spigot set-up to help alignment of the wheels and also increases strength/safety for the rim (as they will be lightened considerably).

Plan is to have all 4 wheels, brakes, suspension done in the next few months - then we move onto the roll-cage.

Couple pics. attached:

Dummy engine and gearbox are temporarily sitting in the car. The engine will actually move a further 10-12 cm's back from where it is temp. sitting in the photo (firewall/tunnel will modified to suit). We were going to go further back, but there is a lot more work involved and as it isn't a tube frame chassis, maintenance/practicality becomes quite an issue etc..


http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block.jpg

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block-gbox.jpg

[20B_boy]

What are you doing prop-wise out of interest mate?

Presumably its the inlet manifold and plenum that limit how far the motor can go aft - which hacking the :censored::censored::censored::censored: out of the front of the car :(? what will happen plenum-wise? I'd guess some thing akin to Dennis'/EvilAls, but then they are both turbo'd arent they so probably not?

Look forward to more pictures, good luck with it all.

[chrisBoid]

Those are some wide wide wheels! Where you putting a RE wide body kit on or is it more custom (and wider) that a simple bolt-on? Guess you can run bigger offsets with wheels that wide.

You might have answered this question before, but whey are you going for left-hand drive?

Also, great stuff, keep it coming!

[20B_boy]

I guess with left hand drive you dont have the steering column restricting what u do with the exhaust - and the exhaust is obviously paramount on Rotors like this baby :)

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by 20B_boy
What are you doing prop-wise out of interest mate?

Presumably its the inlet manifold and plenum that limit how far the motor can go aft - which hacking the :censored::censored::censored::censored: out of the front of the car :(? what will happen plenum-wise? I'd guess some thing akin to Dennis'/EvilAls, but then they are both turbo'd arent they so probably not?

Look forward to more pictures, good luck with it all.

hehehe - the original one with moving the motor WAY back would have only been 12 inches long :) but it will be a little longer now, not sure of the exact length and we are not sure if it will be a 2 piece or not.

Yes - no plenum as such, but there will be a mega airbox feeding air to the throttle bodies. Should have some more pics. in a few weeks, hopefully all the suspension gear will start to go on - going to look trick!

There was just so much extra work to move the engine back further - the entire tunnel would have to be modified, seats may not have even fit! would have had to use Zeus (spelling) Fasteners etc. and it isn't a tube chassis. We are still looking at 50/50 weight dist. though. If you look at cars like this one, you can soon see why a tube frame is the way to go (so much more flexible):
http://www.cityperformancecentre.com/customers/circuit/centreline/fc_sports-sedan_03.jpg

[Glenn Butcher]

Originally posted by chrisBoid
Those are some wide wide wheels! Where you putting a RE wide body kit on or is it more custom (and wider) that a simple bolt-on? Guess you can run bigger offsets with wheels that wide.

You might have answered this question before, but whey are you going for left-hand drive?

Also, great stuff, keep it coming!

Gotta find some slicks for it now!

The RE body kit is pretty much bolt on, but the guys did quite a few mods to make it more part of the car than just a bolt on, see www.4rotor.com for pics.

Yes - Rich has hit it on the head, intake and exhaust will take up a bit of space. I want to have a passenger seat to take people for rides (an absolute must!) which was another reason the engine couldn't go right back. It will be running power steering, I have a feeling those slicks/tyres will be pretty hard to turn under load with out ps. Having in on the left makes things a lot easier.

[Glenn Butcher]

Took some more photos today - tunnel/firewall are cut and engine is virtually sitting where it should be (may come back a tiny bit).

Gives you a better idea now...

Click to enlarge:

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_01a.jpg (http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_01.jpg)http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_02a.jpg (http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_02.jpg)

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_03a.jpg (http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_03.jpg)http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_04a.jpg (http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2004-sep/4rotor-dummy-block_04.jpg)

[Carl]

Hi Glenn,
You may not need to go to far back as my car is quite light on the steering with the engine mounted in the stock position.(Power steering pump off for the moment.)
This project must be costing you a small fortune!
Kind regards
Carl

[Glenn Butcher]

Hi Carl,

Do you have a set of scales? would be very interested if you could tell me what the weight distribution is?

Essentially we wanted to get the engine behind the front strut towers which is what we have pretty much done (almost mid-mount, but not quite).


Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) and it still doesn't have any wheels or a real engine or cage or wiring or ................................................ :rollin

[Carl]

Originally posted by gbutcher
Hi Carl,

Do you have a set of scales? would be very interested if you could tell me what the weight distribution is?

Essentially we wanted to get the engine behind the front strut towers which is what we have pretty much done (almost mid-mount, but not quite).


Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) and it still doesn't have any wheels or a real engine or cage or wiring or ................................................ :rollin

I will do that if you like when up and running proper.
Has your engine not been built yet?
kind regards
Carl

[MikeLMR]

looks like you are doing a proper job there Glen, I'd love to have the time to strip a car to a bare shell and build it back up exactly to my liking.

Mazda did a fair bit of lightening on the FD didn't they, there are puched holes in the metal work all over the place.

[Glenn Butcher]

Hi Carl - that would be great.

No, we don't need the engine for at least another 10 months at the moment. So putting the money into what is required when it comes up.

Mike - yeah, holes everywhere! and we are making more :)

[brooksie]

Glenn ..

you have PM m8 :)

S

[Glenn Butcher]

One of the worlds longest projects :yes

Incredible amount of work involved when doing it properly. Apart from: complete custom arms, ultra expensive dampers, carbon brakes - this is probably the ultimate suspension and brake package for an FD. A number of custom tools had to be made in order to press bearings, joints etc. ...

I have the wheels, just need to purchase tyres to suit - car will be on wheels again!

Next steps are mounting the dummy engine, gearbox, diff, doing the rollcage, mounting seats, peddle box, completing the steering. Hopefully these will all be done in the next few months.

Might be ready in time for ROTORSTOCK IV!

Some more piccys through:

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-01.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-02.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-03.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-04.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-05.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-06.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-07.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-08.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-09.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-10.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-11.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-12.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-13.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-14.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-15.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-16.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-17.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-susp-18.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-rear-brakes.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-april/4rotor-front-brakes.jpg

Control Arms - polished before they were annodised:

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-arms-01.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-arms-02.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-arms-03.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-arms-04.jpg

All on the car:

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-01.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-02.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-03.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-june/4rotor-04.jpg

[mattmaclennan]

ooooohhhhhh....mmmmmmmmmm....nice!

[Fish]

Looking better by the year.... :D

Fish

[MikeLMR]

they are doing a good job. Are you sure those discs are big enough ? they look a bit small ;)

[michaelb]

Hi Glen

What a car…….ship it over for the next rotorstock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder how much that would cost…..If you put it on the boat tomorrow it may arrive by next year….only joking..
How are you mate, it was nice to met you finally at the rotorstock..

Regards,
Michaelb

[g11ary]

I dont know how you contain yourself........

[Spotlamp]

Inspiring, that's all I can say.

If I had the time, ability, space and money to do that to my seven I'd be a lucky man... Lottery ticket anyone?

H

[Glenn Butcher]

Thanks for all the comments guys - much appreciated. At least progress is being made ;)

[Initial-D]

Hopefully one day I can get my footwork as sorted as yours Glenn!! What spring rates are you gonna run?

[Ada7]

Inspiring, that's all I can say.

If I had the time, ability, space and money to do that to my seven I'd be a lucky man... Lottery ticket anyone?

H
I agree with all that. Top work mate. :god :god :god

Maybe we should sort out a lottery sindicate on here. You never no?!?! Could live out all our dreams :rollin

Adam

[MikeLMR]

Hopefully one day I can get my footwork as sorted as yours Glenn!! What spring rates are you gonna run?

front ones are 9" free length 2.25" ID and 900Lb/" (its printed on springs ;) )

i.e a little OTT for a road car :burnout

[20B_boy]

Max runs near-900lb springs on his FD, hard on the street but nothing like unbearable. Phil has near-1000lb N1s on his car. But thats just Phil :D :burnout :burnout :burnout

[MikeLMR]

bet they would handle better on the road with something a lot softer ... but then thats probably not the intended use ;)

[Fish]

So ok, Carls is almost ready for action and Glenns is only a year off (or close to it).

Here's the question, which will be faster? One built with UK knowledge or the power of the Aussie?

Fish

[20B_boy]

bet they would handle better on the road with something a lot softer ... but then thats probably not the intended use ;)
Correct - preferred useage = Nurburgring :D

[Carl]

So ok, Carls is almost ready for action and Glenns is only a year off (or close to it).

Here's the question, which will be faster? One built with UK knowledge or the power of the Aussie?

Fish


The thing is that both cars are built for entirely different purposes,Glen's is for track use and circuit racing and mine is for the strip.
Also I reckon that mine has probably cost about an 1/8th of the cost that Glen's has so far,and his engine is not built yet!
Mine has been done on a very tight budget,if I could afford it the car would be heavily modifed by now and quick too.
The work on Glen's car would I think make it one of the most expensive FD's in the world,it really is a no expense spared project with not only the best parts being put on it but also the right parts too as can be seen from the pictures.
Looking very nice Glen.
Regards
Carl

[20B_boy]

Glen's is for track use and circuit racing and mine is for the strip.

Yeah, but u seriously think Butch wont take it down the strip just once? :3gears-lh

[Glenn Butcher]

Don't you worry about that! it will be going down the strip quite a bit, might do some drifting, circuit, maybe some top speed runs, 0-300km/h, groceries (well maybe not), etc. - it is my multi purpose vehicle ;) it has to be with all the money being spent!

It does suck though, when you put the good stuff into a car - it just costs soooo much. But it is the way I want to do it, if it takes 1-2 years it will be pretty special when complete.

The next job of work will start to get things going a bit as they are pretty major bits to do with driveline, rollcage (supporting engine, gearbox, diff, etc.). Custom driveshafts alone are going to set me back a pretty penny!

The holinger and 9inch will come in handy on the strip :) will have to catch up with Carl though - he would have had a few years running on the strip before I get out there!

[Efso]

FD Annodised control arms..now thats something new!!! Congrats!!!

[zevans]

The important question is which one will be louder?

I've been eyeing up my engine bay thinking there seems to be plenty of room in front of the turrets...

[Glenn Butcher]

Efso - Yep! they look really good, a lot of time involved in polishing etc.


Zack - mine can't be anywhere near as loud as Carl's, as I want to be able do run it on circuits etc.

[Carl]

Efso - Yep! they look really good, a lot of time involved in polishing etc.


Zack - mine can't be anywhere near as loud as Carl's, as I want to be able do run it on circuits etc.

I may make mine a bit quieter soon with a "Special" type of silencer!.
regards
Carl

[20B_boy]

I may make mine a bit quieter soon with a "Special" type of silencer!.
regards
Carl
Hoping to slap on a GT55 and halve this years time at RS3 then Carl? :burnout

[Carl]

Hoping to slap on a GT55 and halve this years time at RS3 then Carl? :burnout

Much bigger than that Rich,
I am going the whole hog and getting a jet engine.As Jap Performance said they are quieter than my car!!!LOL!
Regards
Carl

[MikeLMR]

It just occured to me that this is another thread worthy of being a sticky ;)

[normski]

I said, jet cars will be here soon :god

[Glenn Butcher]

Some new pics. finally.

Driveline is virtually complete now, needs a bit of paint on fabricated bits, and some more parts to arrive.

Diff. centre is in with chromemoly supports in place, diff. oil cooler and pump. :censored::censored::censored::censored:pit adjustable blade bars front and rear are also done, custom driveshafts are done (no pic. sorry), tailshaft is done.

Still a long way to go, but at least in the next few weeks it will steer & stop! with dummy engine in place, gearbox in place etc. :)

http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-dec/4rotor-dec05-01.JPG
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-dec/4rotor-dec05-02.jpg
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-dec/4rotor-dec05-03.JPG
http://www.4rotor.com/photos/2005-dec/4rotor-dec05-04.JPG

[Carl]

Very tasty!
Regards
Carl

[DRAGON]

Quality. Glad to see the project is in full swing. I am literally just fitting that kit to my circuit car. Please keep the pics coming!

[Freddy]

Excellent! Would like to see more pics as things progress.

:)

[Efso]

Glenn,very nice!!!I am watching this thread from the start and its getting better and better.BTW:Now that i see the underbody i have to ask,if you ever thought about making a custom full flat underbody + diffuser like the Modena 360 or the NSX.

Stathis

[Glenn Butcher]

Hi Efso,

No - not at this stage. When it is finished :rolleyes: I want to do some high speed runs. The FD's aren't known to have great aero as standard for real high speed running (racing Beat crash!). We'll have to see I guess.

[normski]

Is the 4 rotor performing as it should ? :3gears-rh :3gears-rh

[ArmyOfOne]

So whats up? Any progress on the project? If this thing makes it out this year I will definitely have to come out and see it. I need to see one in person. So far everything looks very good.

[Glenn Butcher]

Not much happening really.

Dealing with some of life's other priorities at the moment!

Really just a case of - it will be done when it is done :( (unless I win lotto!) :)

[DRAGON]

Yeah Glen we need more updates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[00020B]

Been lucky enough to watch this thing get built from scratch in the flesh , simply going to be the best FD ever built bar none . ( Well except for mine maybe :rollin )